Speak Out: Fear and Favor -- Brought to you by Fox

Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 1:31 PM:

Here are a few very worthwhile extracts from Paul Krugman's recent opinion piece on Fox News and the conservatives owned by a billionaire.

"Nobody who was paying attention has ever doubted that Fox is, in reality, a part of the Republican political machine; but the network -- with its Orwellian slogan, "fair and balanced" --- always has denied the obvious. Officially, it still does. But by hiring those GOP candidates while making million-dollar contributions to the Republican Governors Association and the rabidly anti-Obama United States Chamber of Commerce, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which owns Fox, is signaling that it no longer feels the need to make any effort to keep up appearances.

Something else has changed, too: increasingly, Fox News has gone from merely supporting Republican candidates to anointing them.

Christine O'Donnell, the upset winner of the GOP Senate primary in Delaware, often is described as the Tea Party candidate, but given the publicity the network gave her, she could equally well be described as the Fox News candidate. Anyway, there's not much difference: the Tea Party movement owes much of its rise to enthusiastic Fox coverage.

As the Republican political analyst David Frum put it, "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us, and now we are discovering we work for Fox" -- literally, in the case of all those non-Mitt-Romney presidential hopefuls. It was days later, by the way, that Mr. Frum was fired by the American Enterprise Institute. Conservatives criticize Fox at their peril."

And there is more....

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/paul-krugman/article_fc7513bd-7315-...

Replies (65)

  • "Here are a few very worthwhile extracts from Paul Krugman's recent opinion piece on Fox News and the conservatives "

    That little phrase blows your credibility Common!

    It points out your wealth envy status. Could you tell us who but a billionaire could own an operation like that? I take it you would like us to believe the rest of the media is owned by people with their hand out for welfare.

    What a joke.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 1:39 PM
  • "Here are a few very worthwhile extracts from Paul Krugman's recent opinion piece on Fox News and the conservatives owned by a billionaire. "

    Ooops, I lost the tail end of Common's defining statement in my previous post.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 1:42 PM
  • "owned by a billionaire"

    I guess every party has its own George Soros, eh?

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 1:58 PM
  • You have to have credibility to lose it.

    Why should I give any more weight to an Opinion Piece by Paul Krugman than an Opinion Piece by anyone else. You know what they say about opinions.

    -- Posted by RA on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 2:26 PM
  • It points out your wealth envy status. Could you tell us who but a billionaire could own an operation like that? I take it you would like us to believe the rest of the media is owned by people with their hand out for welfare.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 1:39 PM

    For one, NPR is not owned or controlled by a "billionaire" and I would maintain that their reporting is in actuality "fair and balanced." NPR does report on more than one side of an issue. However, in order to get the benefits of more sensible news you have to actually listen to it.

    This repetitious claim of "wealth envy" is particularly unintelligent, dim-witted, and laughable, especially when thrown out indiscriminately at whomever might disagree with you. It would seem that you automatically assume that anyone that is democratic must be poor, because apparently, if they had any money they would be republicans.

    -- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 5:04 PM
  • Fox News what an amazing network, but you have to hand it to them they know how to throw the bait out to the people and many take it. They have such a colorful line up in the one sided always correct regardless Shawn Hannity and let's not for get the Rev Glen Beck. Fair and Balanced are you kidding me.

    -- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 5:04 PM
  • "Something else has changed, too: increasingly, Fox News has gone from merely supporting Republican candidates to anointing them."

    Kind of like ABC, CBS, NBC MSMBC, etc did and still does for Obama.

    -- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 5:15 PM
  • Wheels- don't be too hard on her. She gets her news from Oprah.

    -- Posted by Skeptic1 on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 5:36 PM
  • Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck, neither of whom I listen to, are not reporters of news, but rather purveyors of opinion and entertainers. Other networks have their equivalent.

    -- Posted by RA on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 6:13 PM
  • For one, NPR is not owned or controlled by a "billionaire" and I would maintain that their reporting is in actuality "fair and balanced." NPR does report on more than one side of an issue. However, in order to get the benefits of more sensible news you have to actually listen to it.

    This repetitious claim of "wealth envy" is particularly unintelligent, dim-witted, and laughable, especially when thrown out indiscriminately at whomever might disagree with you. It would seem that you automatically assume that anyone that is democratic must be poor, because apparently, if they had any money they would be republicans.

    -- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 5:04 PM

    Common,

    1.) NPR is not a good example. They would not exist if it were not for the largesse of the American taxpayer during it's founding days.

    What would you expect to get for news.

    2.)Why would anyone suspect you of wealth envy Common, when your first sentence spells out the financial status of the owner of Fox News? As if that would be the only motivating factor the network has. I do not worry about what someone else has, I prefer to just worry about what little old me has, or does not have as the case may be.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 8:23 PM
  • Common,

    You seem to be unduly alarmed over what you think happens on Fox News. I would like for you to watch the following clip and then tell me why none of the left wing media seems to have their curiosity arroused by the statements made by your idol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4jnlkxOaw

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 10:06 PM
  • Wheels

    He is a liar.

    -- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 11:02 PM
  • NPR's "All Things Considered" if only they did. They don't.

    MSNBC's presentations are so bad that their ratings are equally bad. Even the "Progresives" have trouble using them as a resource.

    Poor old CNN. Know why did they fired Rick Sanchez? (A rhetorical question).

    -- Posted by voyager on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 11:18 PM
  • I was going to reply to commonsensematters, but what could I add?

    Spaniard, we are proud of you. You almost made a funny!

    One4kids, A skunk sat on a stump. The stump thought the skunk stunk and the skunk thought the stump stunk. It wasn't the skunk that stunk and it wasn't the stump that stunk, it was the skunk's dump that stunk.

    -- Posted by Old John on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 11:36 PM
  • That explains everything, Old John!

    -- Posted by voyager on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 11:44 PM
  • "I would like for you to watch the following clip and then tell me why none of the left wing media seems to have their curiosity arroused..."

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 10:06 PM

    Because he said "father" but as was explained and clarified later, was talking about and meant to say "grandfather." Making an obvious error in giving a speech is not the end of the world or the country.

    The media did make a big deal out of it because it was not a big deal. It is only "birthers" and some conservatives that cannot seem to understand a simple miscue.

    -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 5:12 AM
  • Voyager, I bet Fox hires Rick Sanchez!

    How are the leaves looking your way? Seeing any colors yet?

    -- Posted by Skeptic1 on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 9:28 AM
  • Common,

    On the one hand you could be correct in that he meant grandfather. Like the 57 states remark, and he really doesn't know what is going to roll off his tongue next, but then most of what he says comes from a teleprompter and surely was checked out.

    But then on the other hand he could have been lying to us because he doesn't think we are smart enough to know the difference.

    The one thing consistent is your defense of him no matter what he says or does.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 9:44 AM
  • When CNN started, wasn't it owned by ultra-liberal billionaire Ted Turner?

    -- Posted by bam-bam on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 10:58 AM
  • Yeah bam-bam... Ted Turner and his bride of the time Calamity Jane, I mean Hanoi Jane.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 11:05 AM
  • Just think what kind of crap common will have when The Oprah gets her own network?

    -- Posted by Mowrangler on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 1:05 PM
  • I haven't been posting on here regularly, but I have noticed that Have_Wheels very rarely supports someone positively. Is there a history that the rest of you know or is he just a downer?

    -- Posted by Reasoning on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 1:28 PM
  • Mowrangler wrote:

    "Just think what kind of crap common will have when The Oprah gets her own network?"

    I thought she had one. Isn't the Oxygen Network hers?

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 2:02 PM
  • Well Reasoning, maybe I can fill you in. I have not liked Obama since listening to his lies and empty promises during the campaign. He has not disappointed me. He has operated pretty much as I expected he would. After some 2o months of him, I see little to be positive about on the national scene.

    You however have not been posting here regularly under your current name. I suspect you are one of the regulars with a name change

    Oh and for the record, I am not a liberal socialist type, never have been, never will be. I love my country and do not like to see where our politicians have taken it, both Democrats and Republicans.

    Does that clear up your confusion?

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 2:05 PM
  • Shapley she is Co-owner of the Oxygen Network. Here new network will be called OWN.

    -- Posted by Mowrangler on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 2:32 PM
  • Mowrangler wrote:

    "Shapley she is Co-owner of the Oxygen Network. Here new network will be called OWN."

    Thanks. I knew she had some hand in Oxygen. I guess the big 'O' they use for a logo had me believing her part was bigger than what it is. It seems to me that, back when the Network first started, they played up the connection to Oprah quite heavily.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 2:37 PM
  • Adidas, Leaves not turning quite yet but we can tell changes are on the way. The Duchess sits proudly in her parking space with her top up awaiting the Days of Glory. Trig does not enjoy the chilly mornings for his early Go Out. However, he loves to go riding, but prefers the top up.

    Don't understand the comment that Wheels is a downer. Always sounded to me like a person with a clear head and scant tolerance for fools.

    -- Posted by voyager on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 3:58 PM
  • Some ascribe negative traits to those with whom they disagree. To some a realist will sound like a downer, it can go both ways.

    -- Posted by RA on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 4:29 PM
  • Wheels is a very nice guy, some on here just really bother him.

    Voyager- I lost your email. Email me. I am heading your way in two weeks.

    -- Posted by Skeptic1 on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 4:55 PM
  • Thanks for the vote of confidence. Now why would I think some would disagree with you. ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 5:00 PM
  • "The one thing consistent is your defense of him no matter what he says or does."

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 9:44 AM

    The one thing consistent is your denigration and vilification of him no matter what he says or does.

    -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 9:56 PM
  • Common,

    A couple of definitions for you.

    denigration. A, noun. 1, deprecation, denigration. the act of expressing disapproval (especially of yourself). Category Tree: ...

    www.wordreference.com/definition/denigration

    I express disapproval of him because I do disapprove of him. I have never made a secret of that. Would you rather I lie about how I feel?

    vilification - definition of vilification by the Free Online ...

    tr.v. vil·i·fied, vil·i·fy·ing, vil·i·fies. To make vicious and defamatory statements about.

    I don't believe I do this Common... however you may take whatever I have to say.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 10:11 PM
  • Maybe her O wasn't big enough on the Oxygen network so she bought her own. Now she can determine how big her own O is.

    -- Posted by Mowrangler on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 11:45 AM
  • You know what people? Its called free enterprise and entertainment. Turn the channel if you don't like it. TV stations are a business, not a public utility or right. Start your own channel if you don't like what you see. Or turn it off?

    -- Posted by insider63785 on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:32 PM
  • Hmmm I've looked all through every post and did not find the word HATE anywhere in them. Can you please point it out to me Cadddy?

    -- Posted by Mowrangler on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:33 PM
  • longtime,

    I have to agree with what you said. I would not sit and watch Oprah unless being paid handsomely to do so. So, I turn the channel, and if there is nothing out there that is any better, I know where the off and on button is.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:38 PM
  • Some people simply see hate in the absence of worship at the feet of their own cultural icons. For them facts are not even an so much as an inconvenience.

    -- Posted by RA on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:38 PM
  • Mowrangler,

    You must love people with money if they are Democrats, if they are anything else you must despise them! That is the rule of the left.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:40 PM
  • You need to change your address to no sense.

    Your socialist format doesn't go over in American any more. Start packing.

    -- Posted by smartchoice on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:44 PM
  • I think Oprah is a class act. She puts her money where her mouth is. She has given millions to charitable causes. She may have started out with the familiar talk show 'fisticuffs' format, but she pretty well abandoned it several years back in favour of a more staid format.

    I don't agree with her politics, and I think she lost a bit of her fans when she threw her weight behind Mr. Obama, but the key point it is _her_ weight and _her_ money she's throwing around. She's alright in my book. All that she has, she's come by honestly.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 3:06 PM
  • Shapley,

    No problem with Oprah and what she does, other than her politics. There are a whole host of similar shows that I just cannot bear to watch. So, I exercise my right to not watch them.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 4:31 PM
  • She's alright in my book. All that she has, she's come by honestly.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 3:06 PM

    She worked hard at it. Many don't even know she was once a Jerry Springer. The highest paid entertainer status is definitely an accomplishment.

    I think she was very reluctant about having Obama on before the election so I don't hold her responsible the same way as I do others. I no longer watch actors, shows, or entertainers that helped spread the Democratic lies. 60 minutes, David Letterman, etc. only showed me what they really were. Many of them have lost half or more of their fans.

    In bad times movies make money is well known so I blame them for helping create the slowdown.

    -- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 8:55 PM
  • Thanks Wheels. All these rules the left have are mind boggling.

    -- Posted by Mowrangler on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 10:16 PM
  • Yeah Mowrangler, I know. I try to learn just one new rule a week.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 10:23 PM
  • exactly why he is destined to be a one termer with a record worse than Jimmy Carter's

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Sep 10, 2010, at 11:27 AM

    an Obama decision or was it done by one of those Chicago Hoods he surrounded himself with? Regardles, he still bears the responsibility.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Sep 11, 2010, at 7:16 PM

    Maybe they will be compared to Obama, as in..... at least Johnson and Carter were not as bad as Obama was. ☺ ☻ ☺ ☻

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM

    If he would have even halfway tried to create a friendly environment for business to start investing and hiring again, instead of the anti business rhetoric he used, along with getting totally obsessed with Obamacare... to the exclusion of what was going on in America.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 9:56 PM

    When you win by lying to gullible voters, you are not a winner, just another loser.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Sep 18, 2010, at 8:27 AM

    The fact that it was such an overwhelming success story for the The USSR escapes you I see.

    Do you really see that style of government as something we should model our country after?

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Sep 19, 2010, at 9:40 PM

    then this country goes and elects someone less qualified, not for vice president, but for president. That still baffles me. Hope and change rhetoric and America fell for it.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 7:26 PM

    checking a man who rode the freebie education roles in this country as a foreign student, traveling to a country where Americans were forbidden to travel to, on obviously a foreign passport. None of that seems to have surfaced in your thorough vetting of him I suppose.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 7:45 PM

    What we need is the antidote for Obama and the damage he has done.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM

    And then he went on to prove to all of us that the whole presidency gig was above his pay grade.

    I agree that is a serious worry. The last thing we need in the White House is another clueless rock star. And by clueless I mean trying to lead the majority of Americans to a place they do not want to go.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 2:55 PM

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    vilification - definition of vilification by the Free Online ...

    tr.v. vil*i*fied, vil*i*fy*ing, vil*i*fies. To make vicious and defamatory statements about.

    I don't believe I do this Common... however you may take whatever I have to say.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 10:11 PM

    -----------------------------------------

    Fortunately, I am able to "take whatever (you) have to say" with much more than a grain of salt. While you may not believe you make vicious (faulty, flawed, unruly, spiteful) and defamatory (attack reputation of, slander) statements, the posts above shown a different image of your character. And they were easy to find, it took less than 15 minutes to put them all together.

    Based on the above President Obama:

    Surrounds himself with criminals.

    Is the worst President since Johnson (even though his term is not yet half over.)

    Is anti-business and obsessed with what you call "Obamacare" (which is in fact a meaningless and disparaging term intended only to be insulting.)

    Lies to voters.

    Wants to model our country after the Soviet Union.

    Is unqualified for President.

    Posed as a foreign student to get an education and a passport.

    Has damaged the country

    Is a "clueless rock star."

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    In my opinion none of these vilifications are true. You, as always, have the right to your own opinion, as whimsical and unreal your fantasies may be, but please don't try to pass any of these as fact.

    -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 2:46 PM
  • Common, Thanks for putting together in one post the most insightful comments of the thread. :)

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 3:24 PM
  • Wheels here's one that is pretty evident. The left is the only opinion that counts. If someone else has a differing opinion then label them as a racist, hater, tea partier or worse. Then agree they can have their own opinions. But call their opinions whimsical and unreal fantasies. As noted above. Thank you Common for helping me prove my point. I owe you one.

    -- Posted by Mowrangler on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 3:29 PM
  • "If someone else has a differing opinion then label them as a racist, hater, tea partier or worse."

    I would maintain that I did not label anyone. But I do have my own opinion.

    For example, when George Bush was President, I did not agree with all of his actions, but I did not call him names. He was the President of all Americans, I did not want him to fail, I did not want the country to fail, I did not try to undermine others confidence in him.

    Now President Obama is the president of all Americans, I do not want him to fail, I do not want the country to fail, and I resent people attempting to undermine his administration with exaggerations and petty grievances and complaints.

    -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 4:54 PM
  • Looks like I have a new Charter Member to my fan club. Would someone remind me to send Common a membership card sometime next week maybe.

    Mowrangler, that is one of the truths that is self evident. You best be careful or you will become a part of Villification International also. Guilt by association you know.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 5:36 PM
  • If you take the time to go back through old posts to prove a point, you either have way too much free time or take this way to seriously.

    -- Posted by RA on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 5:48 PM
  • If our presidents agenda or plan, [wether of purpose or misguided logic], threatens the general welfare of my country, I hope he fails.

    Did the founders of our country hope the intentions of the king failed? You betcha!

    Since and before our country was a country people have expressed there like and dislike of ideas by praising or ridiculing the people behind those ideas.

    Pointing to your more respectful than others way of doing it doesn't change the point made by either side.

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 5:54 PM
  • In my opinion none of these vilifications are true. You, as always, have the right to your own opinion, as whimsical and unreal your fantasies may be, but please don't try to pass any of these as fact.

    -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 2:46 PM

    Common,

    Everything you dug up is a representation of what I believe this guy to be. You know, my opinion! So far as facts, let the reader be the judge on if or not they are playing out as fact or not.

    You slso are entitled to your own opinion, evn though I think your opinions are totally biased and you are nothing more than another OW.

    That my dear Common is my opinion... agree with it or not.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 5:57 PM
  • Did I miss something or fat finger a key? No avatars and our favorite poster of many names is gone again.

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 6:23 PM
  • old John,

    I don't know what may have happened. I refuse to read most long posts. Better copyright another name though in case you need it someday, and before he uses them all.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 6:30 PM
  • Wheels, Strange, the avatars are back. Not strange, he is not.

    How's the family research going, any pirates or kings turned up?

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 6:40 PM
  • Old John, research took an uptick recently. I received some help, a distant cousin from Holland is here for about another week. She has been a big help in reading some of the Dutch I have tried to deal with and speaks English better than I do.

    Found a twin brother of a Priest that I have been looking for. Dropped out of existence about 1861. Being James the Chaffeur for a bit now, I was reading a History of a Church in Cincinnati where this guy was at one time while I waited for her to look up something. Well the history said he died in Holland. Bingo he went back and that is why we lost him. The next day and some internet searches in Holland the cousin has the guy located down to street and house number, along with the relatives he was staying with.

    Also recently discovered a 4 X's great Grandfather who fought in Napolean's army. Few odds and ends like that to keep you looking.

    No Kings or even Pirates yet... but I have long suspected my relatives got kicked out of Holland for stealing hubcaps.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:13 PM
  • Wheels, I ran into a fellow that shared my last name. We compared notes to find our common grandads were brothers that fought on opposite side in the civil war. By the time our way back granddaddy made it to America from Germany his name was mangled into what Germans recognize as good toilet paper. His original name evolved to represent a leader in German technology.

    It is rumored his hasty plight had something to do with the local chicken population.

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:44 PM
  • Old John,

    A lot of the names got mangled, some because the immigrant could not read or write and some because the guy writing it down could not understand what was being said. Doing research on a lot of different people, what surprises me, is that some of the harder names to spell, have endured without changes to this day, while more simple ones were all messed up. And some of the people changed their names to suit themselves if theey did not like how difficult it was, they just changed it to something easier and many times more American sounding.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 12:10 AM
  • Does anyone out there know how Rubert Murdock got his start with his wealth before he started FOX communication? He was not even an US citizen yet. He made he first big money owning Nude Women magazines in Europe. In the United States some of the girls that posed nude would be consider "Under age". Is that a good example of "family values"?

    -- Posted by D49F11 on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 9:07 AM
  • More wealth envy... someone worrying about someone else's money again.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 9:38 AM
  • More wealth envy... someone worrying about someone else's money again.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 9:38 AM

    Wheels, exactly what I was thinking - when I read your comments about Oprah (until Shapley spoke up for her - then you changed your tune a bit).

    ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ Stick with somebody Wheels, because you can't carry it alone.

    -- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 10:17 AM
  • Unconcerned,

    Looking for something to find fault with again I see.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 11:42 AM
  • Not anymore than you. I call'em like I see'em sweetie.

    -- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 8:59 PM
  • Wheels, exactly what I was thinking - when I read your comments about Oprah (until Shapley spoke up for her - then you changed your tune a bit).

    ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ Stick with somebody Wheels, because you can't carry it alone.

    -- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 10:17 AM

    Unconcerned,

    Exactly what is your beef. Below are my two posts regarding Oprah. I do not see where I changed my tune one bit. I have no problem with the woman and I never said I did in the first post, and I actually spelled out the part about her I do not like in the second post.

    I stand on what I said to begin with. I do not like her show, along with Dr. Phil, Judge Judy, Judge Joe Brown, and if given a TV guide, I could go on for quite a while detailing the shows I do not like. Has nothing to do with the personalities of the people on the show. I just prefer something a little more stimulating than watching people oooh and aaah over people that mean nothing to me. While I have been gone most of the day, I can tell you for a fact, TV has not been on in my home for almost 24 hours now and I have not missed it.

    You have to be hard up for something to ***** about to find fault with those two posts.

    Now, as I have wasted enough time on something and someone as unimportant as you and this figment of your imagination, you may have the last word.

    ****************************************************************************************************

    longtime,

    I have to agree with what you said. I would not sit and watch Oprah unless being paid handsomely to do so. So, I turn the channel, and if there is nothing out there that is any better, I know where the off and on button is.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:38 PM

    Shapley,

    No problem with Oprah and what she does, other than her politics. There are a whole host of similar shows that I just cannot bear to watch. So, I exercise my right to not watch them.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 4:31 PM

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, at 1:04 AM
  • Are you now, Theorist?

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