Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 1:49 PM:
For those of us under 50 who were too young to remember and those who are over 50 and may have forgotten.... You may want to vet the Presidential Candidates yourself this election cycle instead of leaving it to the biased media. Your future could depend on it.
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Some things to ponder...........
So the Clinton's weren't so bad, eh? A must read if you care about your country
So the Clintons weren't so bad, eh? Instead of fighting among themselves, why doesn't the GOP candidate team expound on this?
If you're under 50 you really need to read this. If you're over 50, you lived through it, so share it with those under 50. Amazing to me how much I had forgotten!
* When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn't even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.
* Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood -- both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno -- husband Bill described her selection as "my worst mistake." Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.
* Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier's radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.
* Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well:
Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.
* Many younger voters will have no knowledge of "Travel gate." Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson -- and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.
* Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.
* Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the "bimbo eruption" and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle was:
She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones. She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. Hillary's devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives. Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" a total of 56 times while under oath.
* After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.
What a swell party -- ready for another four or eight year of this type low-life mess?
* Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the "pay to play" schemes of the Clinton Foundation -- we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But to her loyal fans- "what difference does it make?"
Worth thinking about:
Electing Hillary Clinton president would be like granting Satan absolution and giving him the keys to heaven!
And just think, since leaving the White House, the Clinton's,through 2014, have made $221,139,576.00 and BOTH are drawing taxpayer funded U. S. Government pensions.
Our way of life may depend on how YOU vote!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 1:51 PM
Unless the U.S. Attorney General stonewalls the FBI probe into Hillary's unsecured email server and the mishandling of classified info, then Hillary will have to make a plea bargain with the Feds and drop out of the race in order to avoid jail time. Remember General Petraeus was given a fine and probation for a lesser degree than what Hillary is being investigated for.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 3:42 PM
You may want to consider providing source documentation. Not to do so is often called plagiarism, which may not bother someone at your level.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 3:46 PM
You may want to consider providing source documentation. Not to do so is often called plagiarism, which may not bother someone at your level.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 3:46 PM
Couple of things here little man..... Where I found the information there was no name on it and two, there is no information in there that is not public knowledge by those of us over 50.
Huff and Puff all you want, but unless you can, with a straight face, deny any of it is true stuff it.
PS: You may as well condition yourself to see plenty of this over the next 10 months as that old bag carries more baggage than a tour bus.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 3:58 PM
Maybe someone will list the names of over 20 people that died under strange circumstance after being associated with the Clintons.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 4:37 PM
Not to do so is often called plagiarism, which may not bother someone at your level. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 3:46 PM
From the guy who inserts words into quotes and then denies he did it? Or was tricked into believing a comedians satire was real and posted it as factual on SO? Both done on Monday?
Absolutely hilarious.
And again - the first poster to go in the gutter unprovoked. "at your level"? more playground insults. You're the king of that. i don't care but I'm going to remind you every time you do it. When losing the point (frequently) you begin whining about the gutter. You always go there first.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 4:46 PM
Maybe someone will list the names of over 20 people that died under strange circumstance after being associated with the Clintons.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 4:37 PM
Old John,
I have seen such a list several years ago, I would bet it will resurface again. For sure it will if I happen to run across it.
For the record, the information I posted came to me in an email forwarded a number of times and full of those little greater than symbols and broken sentences. I recognized the situations from the Billary and Hillary days and cleaned it up and posted it. I think people need to know who they are voting for. A couple of the comments indicating that are my own.
I hardly think I committed the sin of Plagiarism though as I have no idea who originally compliled the historical facts to begin with.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 5:01 PM
I hardly think I committed the sin of Plagiarism though as I have no idea who originally compliled the historical facts to begin with.-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 5:01 PM
Wheels: Is that Plagiarism one of those new religions? A person who worships a gifted speaker and uses their words as their own....similar to "Common" and Pres. Pinky.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 5:09 PM
Typical common. "I got nuttin". Always followed by some type of denigration.
I've gotten this email,also. Got one about the old bag's fluent use of F bombs and treatment of Secret Service details/WH staff. Yep,she's got etiquette as some moron on SO gave as an attribute.
-- Posted by rocknroll on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 5:14 PM
"Wheels: Is that Plagiarism one of those new religions?"
Semo471,
I am not sure about it being a recognized as a legitimate religion, but if it suits their agenda, people like the little man from Scopus like to throw it at people they do not like.
I am fully prepared to post it again as I received it, short the name of my friend who did not write it and let's see who Common would like me to recognize as an author. I think Bill and Hillary both got adequate credit for the parts they played in the story.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 5:16 PM
"at your level"?
Just go ahead and pick what ever level you feel comfortable in...
It make little difference to me, keep making stuff up as much as you feel you need to.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 7:23 PM
What was made up?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 7:28 PM
Huff and Puff all you want, but unless you can, with a straight face, deny any of it is true stuff it.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 3:58 PM
Lani Guanier was nominated for Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, not the "Civil Rights Commission", whatever that may be.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 7:35 PM
"...forced to return an estimated $200,000 in..."
The amount is a lie.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 7:51 PM
So The Clintons Weren't So Bad Eh?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 7:51 PM
The amount is a lie.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 7:51 PM
And it's a stupid lie. The true story could be damning if viewed from the right perspective. Why lie?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:13 PM
From your link:
"There is a grain of truth to this claim, but we found multiple problems -- the amount is off, and "stolen" is an inaccurate word to describe Clinton's actions."
Even the Soros funded politifact says there is truth in the number. The story I read last week said they didn't pay back (refused) the total amount.
Common - you never provided a link. Is this another one of your inserted comments or from Jon Stewart or another comedian?
You have no credibility here.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:35 PM
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:35 PM
No, Politifact (Which is operated by the Tampa Bay Times) says there was a grain of truth in the "claim".
Politifact made clear the amount (number) claimed was untrue and offered evidence to support that.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:48 PM
So the Clintons were great eh?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:49 PM
Gotta love her thoughts on women:
Bimbo Eruptions: "Who is going to find out? These women are trash. Nobody's going to believe them." --Hillary Rodham Clinton (first lady, 1993--2001)
-- Posted by rocknroll on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:54 PM
There appears to be some discrepancy on what the Clinton's stole from the White House. And Politifact wants to soften it to "take" to appear that it was not stealing because they said they were taking it. But when Jesse James held up a bank and said he was taking the money, they called it stealing. So even if you take the $134,000 that they were required to return it still amounted to grand larceny and anybody on Speak Out would have recieved at least 20 years.
Then there was the small correction in the name of the Government Entity that Lani Guanier was nominated for. A major damned point now isn't it, when you don't want to consider taking $134,000 that does not belong to you as stealing. Considering you believe the $134,000 number as correct.
Anything else you geniuses have found wrong with the facts.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:56 PM
Anything else you geniuses have found wrong with the facts.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 8:56 PM
I'm sorry, you're going to have to clarify how "untrue" is untrue enough to meet the standards.
If increasing a number by 30% and making up a position aren't enough...please, tell me what is.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:11 PM
Old John,
Sounds as if Mickey and Common had a busy evening trying to prove the points I posted wrong. I was out enjoying and had a Banana Split to top the evening off and come back to find they are in a tizzy over a government agency name and a disputed amount they claimed was stolen, although if you believe their numbers it was more than pocket change that Billary and Hillary stole from the people.
And she is such a top notch judge of the people she wants to put in high positions.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:12 PM
From ABC News:
"After they were criticized for taking $190,000 worth of china, flatware, rugs, televisions, sofas and other gifts with them when they left, the Clintons announced last week that they would pay for $86,000 worth of gifts, or nearly half the amount.
Their latest decision to send back $28,000 in gifts brings to $114,000 the value of items the Clintons have either decided to pay for or return."
"The Clintons came under strong criticism after disclosing that they were taking with them $190,000 in gifts received over the last eight years."
===
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:23 PM
Mickey
To say the amount was inflated by 30%. That is debatable, you have to take Politifact as being Gospel which I believe not all do. And where in the world did you learn to do Math. If you take $134000 and inflate it by 30% you get $174,200.
The Agency name discrepancy is nothing more than nitpicking on your part because you could find nothing else wrong with it. It is funny though to watch you hunker down and search for something to pick at.
I could recommend a Math tutor for you.... probably need to start somewhere around 4th or 5th grade level though to get you up to speed.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:23 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:23 PM
I'm sorry, the inflation should have been closer to 50% rather than 30%.
The Agency name is important not so much I that your "source" was wrong, but rather that the position it listed was completely made up.
Regardless, you challenged common to "deny any of it is true". Both he and I have found "untrue" in your statement.
So, like I already asked, how "untrue" must it be before it matters?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:33 PM
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:23 PM
From the same article:
"The property is being returned to government custody until such time that the issues can be resolved. It may well turn out that that property is rightly the personal property of the Clintons."
Is this really something important enough to keep bickering about 15 years later.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:37 PM
That is debatable, you have to take Politifact as being Gospel...
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:23 PM
That's the cool part...you don't have to take Politifact as Gospel. Politifact provides information gleaned from a variety of sources...and it tells us who they are! If you wonder how it made any particular judgment, you can simply click on the links and find out where it got its info from.
Of course, like anything else humans are involved in, it can be subject to bias and errors. If you have information showing its judgment was based on incorrect data, please share.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:45 PM
I think it was about 7:35 pm when I thought about posting my thoughts about where this thread is headed.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:49 PM
Is this really something important enough to keep bickering about 15 years later.-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:37 PM
Just another examples of the classless Clintons. I find it more revealing that you are ok with it - as long as you can bicker about how much it was. "How much" isn't as important as the simple fact that they illegally took $200,00, $190,00 or $120,000 and anyone that would dismiss that is pretty revealing.
Another example of "who cares" if its taxpayer money and the Clintons. They are royalty to the left. And of course we have Princess Chelsie.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:51 PM
What happened to the W keys?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:51 PM
" was nominated for Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, not the "Civil Rights Commission", whatever that may be."
"The Agency name is important not so much I that your "source" was wrong, but rather that the position it listed was completely made up."
Mischick,
You have got to be kidding me. I think we both know what the person originally writing this meant. You are knit picking, you know it, I know it and so would anybody that wasn't looking for something to pick apart.
The issue was really Lani Guanier and the fact that Hillary's judgement was terrible in choosing her in the first place causing her name to be withdrawn for the position by whatever name.
Now let me do a little nitpicking of my own.... the Politifact number, since it was what you hung your hat on was really inflated by 49.255% rounded to the nearest 3 places using the % synbol or 5 places if you want to use percentage expressed in decimal amounts.
A considerably larger mistake on your part than there was in the name of the agency by any stretch.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:56 PM
"Regardless, you challenged common to "deny any of it is true". Both he and I have found "untrue" in your statement."
As I stated earlier, it was not my statement. Pay attention!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:00 PM
Is this really something important enough to keep bickering about 15 years later.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:37 PM
You bet it is.... this woman wants to be President of the United States of America and she is morally bankrupt.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:05 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to say the Clintons are such great people.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:08 PM
You have got to be kidding me. I think we both know what the person originally writing this meant. You are knit picking, you know it, I know it and so would anybody that wasn't looking for something to pick apart.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:56 PM
OK, so making up a government position isn't being "untrue", but is nitpicking. Got it.
Now let me do a little nitpicking of my own.... the Politifact number, since it was what you hung your hat on was really inflated by 49.255% rounded to the nearest 3 places using the % synbol or 5 places if you want to use percentage expressed in decimal amounts.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:56 PM
Oh my goodness, Wheels, you are so intelligent and superior and a whiz at math!
Yes, I made a math error. I already admitted that. I don't have a problem admitting my errors. I think it is funny you are choosing to harp on this, when my error was in "your" favor to begin with.
"Regardless, you challenged common to "deny any of it is true". Both he and I have found "untrue" in your statement."
As I stated earlier, it was not my statement. Pay attention!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:00 PM
You posted it. As Dug would say, "Own it."
And don't think I didn't notice your "nitpicking" to try to take the focus off the lies in your "quote".
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:11 PM
Old John,
Now you have me wondering where the W's went. Who has them? Did they return them? Was the damage to government property by this vandalism included in the $200,000?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:12 PM
Is this really something important enough to keep bickering about 15 years later.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 9:37 PM
You bet it is.... this woman wants to be President of the United States of America and she is morally bankrupt.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:05 PM
Maybe so, but is better bickering over less than $200K in gifts the way to show it?
If she is morally bankrupt, there HAVE to be better ways to show it.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:13 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:13 PM
OK, I don't know where that "better" came from. Please ignore that.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:15 PM
And there it goes. The Clintons are low life scum and no one can defend them, so let's start a whizzing contest to divert. We don't want any of our younger fools to hear anything different than what they've been told.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:21 PM
You posted it. As Dug would say, "Own it."
And don't think I didn't notice your "nitpicking" to try to take the focus off the lies in your "quote".
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:11 PM
Mickey,
If you were keeping up, this started with Common trying to accuse me of plagiarism.
I gave a full explanation of where it came from and how I knew of no name to attribute it to. So I invited to find something wrong or stuff it, since he started finding fault with me.
You may read my explanation, you may ignore it, I could care less.
I have already stated my opinion of your knit picking something that was not the issue to start with. If there was something wrong with the name of the agency Lani what's her name was appointed to, so what it was never the issue to begin with, the issue was Hillary Clinton's bad judgement.
The $200,000 may be wrong because it is to high or it proves to be too low. If it is wrong so be it, there was still significant stealing regardless. I'll attribute your Math error to an overwhelming sense of urgency on your part to pick this apart rather than a well thought out reply or a deficiency in your mathematical ability.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:27 PM
I gave a full explanation of where it came from and how I knew of no name to attribute it to. So I invited to find something wrong or stuff it, since he started finding fault with me.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:27 PM
But then I found something wrong with it...and you started accusing me of nitpicking.
I'll attribute your Math error to an overwhelming sense of urgency on your part to pick this apart rather than a well thought out reply or a deficiency in your mathematical ability.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:27 PM
Or, you know, it could have just been a mistake. Some of us aren't afraid to admit we make them all the time.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:36 PM
"Maybe so, but is better bickering over less than $200K in gifts the way to show it?"
Old John,
Can you believe this, Mickey does not believe the stealing of this kind of money has anything to do with Hillary Clinton's eligibilty to be President of the United States.
I find the thinking of the Leftists so far off bass that it is deplorable.
I am glad you reminded me, now I am going to see if I can find that list, of people who became close to the Clintons' and mysteriously died, and post it for people to make judgements for themselves if any wrongdoing took place.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:36 PM
Wheels, Just wow! You are being nice and explaining to her. Must be some good wine?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:36 PM
"But then I found something wrong with it...and you started accusing me of nitpicking."
Because you found nothing wrong with the real issue, Hillary's judgement. It was terrible and the subject's name had to be withdrawn because she was such a poor choice for whatever agency.... that is why I accused you of nitpicking to take the attention off Hillary, and that is exactly what you were doing. I made a 100% correct assessment of your motive.
Your other error was off by 19.255% of the $134,000. Or the error may be greater in that you stated the $134000 was inflated by 30% and then calculated the increase as a percentage of the $200,000 which was 33% a common mistake by a lot of people. Excuse it any way you like.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:53 PM
Wheels, Just wow! You are being nice and explaining to her. Must be some good wine?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:36 PM
Nah, not the wine, it is because I am such a nice guy. But now I am done explaining to these hopelessly helpless Leftists for the evening. They are on their own,
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM
Wheels, About that list, you can start with this:
Suzanne Coleman had an affair with Bill Clinton when he was Attorney General in Arkansas. On 15 February 1977, she "committed suicide" with a gunshot to the back of the head. No autopsy was performed, but it has been alleged that she was seven-and-a-half months pregnant with Clinton's child, although never proven.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 11:00 PM
Old John,
I believe I saw that name on the list years ago.
At the moment I am savoring a large slice of fruit cake. I really need a cup of coffee to go with it, but am too lazy to make coffee and afraid to go wake the wife and demand she do it. ;-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 11:13 PM
Wheels, I would find it easier to make it myself than dare wake up she who must be obeyed.
Remember the "The Clinton Chronicles"?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 11:29 PM
Not sure, I may have seen them but I was up to my you know what in alligators back in their day and had little time for politics.
Company I bought most of my product from was sold, a bunch of little Yuppie MBA's who knew zip about the business were sent in to take over and they about drove the entire company's customer base nuts for a couple of three or four years. I wound up meeting other customers with same problems we had from Florida to Nevada and Texas to Michigan.
These Yuppies could teach Politicians a thing or two about lying.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 11:46 PM
Old John
Googling it, is prodding my memory. Yes I did hear about them but never really watched or read much about them.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 11:48 PM
Because you found nothing wrong with the real issue, Hillary's judgement. It was terrible and the subject's name had to be withdrawn because she was such a poor choice for whatever agency.... that is why I accused you of nitpicking to take the attention off Hillary, and that is exactly what you were doing. I made a 100% correct assessment of your motive.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:53 PM
When you demand people find anything "untrue", that the includes facts you might find "nit picky".
Hillary's judgment isn't a matter of true or false, so that can't be shown. Only the items present as fact can be shown to be untrue.
Your other error was off by 19.255% of the $134,000. Or the error may be greater in that you stated the $134000 was inflated by 30% and then calculated the increase as a percentage of the $200,000 which was 33% a common mistake by a lot of people. Excuse it any way you like.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:53 PM
Who is excusing anything? I've admitted over and over I was wrong; I made a mistake. The fact that you keep harping on it is quite telling.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:14 AM
Who is excusing anything? I've admitted over and over I was wrong; I made a mistake. The fact that you keep harping on it is quite telling.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:14 AM
You tried nitpicking something. I wanted you to know how it felt to have your mistake expanded on until you were sick of hearing it.
Tired of hearing it.... ok, I'll shut up about it then. Mission Accomplished! :-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:57 AM
ok, I'll shut up about it then.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:57 AM
Thank God!
Now, back to the topic.
If the amount of disputed property and making up a position are too nitpicky to cast doubt on the statement you posted, what sort of untrue statement would you accept as a reasonable criticism of the piece?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:20 AM
It takes a while to initiate and introduce something new, especially when it is the unknown. But hey, we finally got it! Luckily, alot of that "controlled congress", is no longer working to get elected and are gone. :)
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:24 AM
Yes you finally got it, and it isn't working. Read the reports. In the case of the "controlled congress" that is the only way you got Obamacare, anyway you can, bribes, threats, whatever, we must get what we want.
Yes a lot of the "controlled congress" who passed Obamacare is gone, but unfortunately enough of them are still around to stop a repeal of a program that is not working so a replacement program can be initiated.
One more point, your statement.... "But hey, we finally got it!", do you realize that is what worries people, chip, chip, chip till a minority gets what they want and some day you may achieve the goal of gun confiscation.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:43 AM
I think this is a positive, not so bad, eh?
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:24 AM
I, personally, do not think it is positive and the Clintons did not do this, did they?
-- Posted by motrans on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:46 AM
"-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:20 AM"
Mickey,
We are not starting a whizzing contest today. You were wrong on two different points not one. You picked an unimportant non issue and want to nitpick it.... not going to happen with me. I already told you what whoever wrote it's issue was, Hillary Clinton's poor judgement, you want to deflect to an error in stating the department the appointment was for. The writer made a minor error, not unlike your inability to get the percentage correct.
That's it end of conversation for me, you may yammer on the rest of the day about it. i have better things to do.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:50 AM
We are not starting a whizzing contest today.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:50 AM
Then don't.
You were wrong on two different points not one. You picked an unimportant non issue and want to nitpick it.... not going to happen with me. I already told you what whoever wrote it's issue was, Hillary Clinton's poor judgement, you want to deflect to an error in stating the department the appointment was for. -- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:50 AM
First, it wasn't an error. The author made up an office. That certainly speaks to the credibility of their opinion.
Second, I only brought it up because you demanded common show that anything was "untrue". When you were shown two things that were untrue, all of the sudden those untruth are unimportant.
That's why i want to know what sort or untruths you would consider to be important, so we are all in the same page.
The writer made a minor error, not unlike your inability to get the percentage correct.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:50 AM
I thought you weren't going to bring that up any more? You just can't stand when the conversation isn't about me, can you?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 10:22 AM
First, it wasn't an error. The author made up an office. That certainly speaks to the credibility of their opinion.
It was probably just a mistake just like you say you make all the time.
So maybe we should question your credibility?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 10:25 AM
"So maybe we should question your credibility?"
I have questioned it ever since she declared her "Superiority" to some of us posting on S.O. and the Forums, a long time back.
I don't do well with people with a swelled head!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 10:31 AM
It was probably just a mistake just like you say you make all the time.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 10:25 AM
It is certainly possible it was an error. That seems unlikely, though, as it was not close. Like I've said, the position mentioned doesn't exist. That seems like a strange mistake to make.
If someone quotes a mistake I made without attribution, then yes, they should question my credibility. That's why quoting things when you don't know the origin is tricky.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 10:51 AM
I'm still waiting for someone to say the Clintons are such great people.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:08 PM
OJ,still waiting,eh? Won't happen cause it can't happen.
-- Posted by rocknroll on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 11:48 AM
Like the NRA, now you get it!
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 11:26 AM
Theorist, That is just crazy that you seem to think the NRA somehow runs the country.
I gave you more credit than that.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:08 PM
Theorist,
Nowhere will you find where I have posted that I am Superior to anyone. I am not nor do I feel that I am.
You accused me of having a closed mind.... where's the key thing. I merely explained to you that I do not have a closed mind. If you don't like it, don't ask or insinuate. If you knew who I am you would find me very open minded, but very particular about weeding out the BS that I will buy into.
In that list of things I re-posted. It was a far cry from your IQ foolishness that you were defending fiercely, until you realized your mistake.
There were about 9 items on the list I posted if I remember correctly. Not a single one of them have Common or Mischick been able to totally find absolutely wrong.
The amount of one item is disputed and I do not know who is correct on the amount and who is incorrect. If you take the $134,000 amount you are still talking about Grand Larceny for anyone without connections.
So far as the erroneous name on the agency, I will take that as a mistake in name, but it does not change the fact that Hillary Clinton made a really bad judgement in naming that woman, so bad that they had to withdraw her name. What did the writer have to gain by inventing an agency. The agency was not the issue the appointment was.
I am still waiting for the fault finders to knock down the other 7 items. They only "appeared" to find errors in content of the other two, not that they were not questionable judgements on the part of Hillary and Bill Clinton which was the jist of the entire list.
So keep picking at the list, I invite it. The facts are I remember too many of those items from having lived through that administration.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:15 PM
Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 11:25 AM
How could IQ tests be proven accurate except for scores? You have to have the scores. The score gives you your IQ.
I am getting confused just trying to ask the question. Makes no sense.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:18 PM
Like the NRA, now you get it!
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 11:26 AM
Theorist,
It is on my bucket list to joint the NRA again. Somebody has to fight to keep you Leftists from disarming Americans. I believe in the Constitution and Article II and I am going to do whatever I can to see that it is not dismantled.
The NRA has as much right to exist as the Left Wing of the Democratic Party does, or do you disagree with that also.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:22 PM
"Makes no sense."
Welcome to an inside look at the Leftist Progressive Movement!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:26 PM
There were about 9 items on the list I posted if I remember correctly. Not a single one of them have Common or Mischick been able to totally find absolutely wrong.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:15 PM
That's because they are opinions! You can't prove opinions wrong.
However, one should consider the facts upon which those opinions are based. If the "facts" given are actually false, why should we trust the opinions given?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:26 PM
Getting around to catch up with this thread.....doesn't matter how much the Clinton's took from the WH when they left - isn't stealing over a certain amount of dollars considered jail time, but hey it's the Clintons.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:40 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:26 PM
Riddle me this Mickey, did those recommendations for appointments by Hillary happen of did they not?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:48 PM
"I see the askhole has made their appearance."
Good one Rick. Very appropriate.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:50 PM
did those recommendations for appointments by Hillary happen of did they not?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:48 PM
Were those people nominated? Yes.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM
Were those people nominated? Yes.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM
Nominated, my error.
Good, they were nominated, all of them. Now we are getting somewhere.
Hillary had pee poor vision and wisdom in recommending them, anybody want to agree to that.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:02 PM
Hillary had pee poor vision and wisdom in recommending them, anybody want to agree to that.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:02 PM
Possibly. What makes you say Hillary was responsible for the nominations?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:09 PM
Possibly. What makes you say Hillary was responsible for the nominations?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:09 PM
Are you saying she was not?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:17 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:09 PM
Are you saying she was not?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:17 PM
I know she was an advisor and played a part in a lot of decisions. I don't know if she was responsible for these nominations.
What makes you say Hillary was responsible?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:24 PM
What makes you say Hillary was responsible?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:24 PM
As I posted before Hillary has already been President... Twice!
You all know who wears the pants in that family!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:29 PM
What makes you say Hillary was responsible?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:24 PM
Because, I have read that she was responsible for make the decision to nominate. She definitely did not make the nomination, that was up to the one "officially" designated as President. And maybe because of Hillary's declaration back in the day when she said.... "We are the President".
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:39 PM
Because, I have read that she was responsible for make the decision to nominate. She definitely did not make the nomination, that was up to the one "officially" designated as President. And maybe because of Hillary's declaration back in the day when she said.... "We are the President".
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:39 PM
Having read something doesn't necessarily make it true. Where did you read it? Why should I trust that source?
For that matter, where can I find a reliable source that she made the "We are the president" statement?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:53 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 1:53 PM
I knew giving you an honest answer would start your nitpicking BS. Now we are through discussing it.
I will make this statement....
I posted what someone else wrote, I explained that, if you don't like it TS. I posted it because it was what I remembered happening at the time Clinton was President.
If you can find it in error then say so and prove it, otherwise you are talking to yourself. Is that clear enough that you can understand it without a bunch of stupid questions?
Rick named you correctly.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:05 PM
I knew giving you an honest answer would start your nitpicking BS. Now we are through discussing it.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:05 PM
Statements like this are why Theorist said you have a big head. You the think anyone failing accept your opinion as gospel truth with out question is nitpicking.
If you can find it in error then say so and prove it, otherwise you are talking to yourself.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:05 PM
You were shown where it was in error. You claimed that was "nitpicking".
I can't show someone's opinion as being in error, just like you can't show someone's opinion is correct.
No one know how involved Hillary was with these nominations. You opined that she was very involved. I don't see what's wrong with asking you how you came up with that opinion.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:18 PM
"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president."
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:53 PM
Well Mic? I just hear crickets where you are concerned.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:41 PM
Come on. It was less than 20 minutes after you post! If you're going to deride someone for not responding to you, don't you think you should give them a bit longer?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:54 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:18 PM
Micky,
You are looking for answers, maybe this is your lucky day, I have stumbled onto what appears to be the source for those points I re posted not knowing from where they came. Nothing better than the source for you to take your nitpicking to.
And you Mr. Common, I give this link full credit for what as earlier stated, I cleaned up and posted from an email that was sent to me by a friend. Sic em!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM
You are looking for answers, maybe this is your lucky day,
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM
My questions were about your opinions and how you developed them. I was attempting to engage in discussion.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:21 PM
My questions were about your opinions and how you developed them. I was attempting to engage in discussion.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:21 PM
I have no interest in discussing my opinions with you, none, zip, zero, nada.
It is very obvious, you have no regard for the opinions of others anyway.... and especially mine.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:44 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to say the Clintons are such great people.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 10:08 PM
From your favorite candidate...
Republican front-runner Donald Trump praised the Clintons in a 2008 blog post, calling Bill Clinton "a great president" and Hillary Clinton "smart, tough and a very nice person."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:46 PM
It is very obvious, you have no regard for the opinions of others anyway.... and especially mine.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:44 PM
I was attempting to learn more about how you developed your opinions and why you feel the way you just this afternoon.
Can you really say with a straight face I have no regard for the opinions of others?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:54 PM
Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:46 PM
LOL Really? Trump? That's it? and that was 8 years ago!!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM
From your favorite candidate...
? ?
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:57 PM
Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:54 PM
Yup!!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:58 PM
So does anyone verily know if She was trying to keep Nixon in office for Ted Kennedy's chances to be President. Did she steal government classified information during the Watergate investigation?
Was she fired from that job?
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:00 PM
Yup!!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:58 PM
Good Lord, that's a tough standard! What would someone have to do to show regard for someone else's opinion?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:11 PM
So does anyone verily know if She was trying to keep Nixon in office for Ted Kennedy's chances to be President. Did she steal government classified information during the Watergate investigation?
Was she fired from that job?
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:00 PM
1. I don't know.
2. Possibly
3. No
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM
- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:11 PM
Maybe listen to what they said and quit trying to trip them up with gotcha questions would be a start.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM
- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:00 PM
Old John,
It is up to you to keep things under control. The prime rib special starts in 27 minutes and my 3rd vodka tonic is on order.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:28 PM
Maybe listen to what they said and quit trying to trip them up with gotcha questions would be a start.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM
Maybe you should stop thinking any question about how you developed your opinion is a "gotcha" question.
If you are afraid answering questions about your opinions will trip you up, it's not me that's the problem, but your opinion.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:38 PM
I'm not worrying about you tripping me up, it's your pitiful attempts that bug me.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:40 PM
I'm not worrying about you tripping me up, it's your pitiful attempts that bug me.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:40 PM
Then why do you avoid questions about your opinions?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:44 PM
Because you are like a pesky mosquito and I no not like feeling like I am on the witness stand. In other words, I don't need your bull, my cow died.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 5:31 PM
Because you are like a pesky mosquito and I no not like feeling like I am on the witness stand. In other words, I don't need your bull, my cow died.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 5:31 PM
It's my fault? Way to take responsibility there, guy.
I'm not you. I don't have preconceived ideas about others that I have to make them fit. Thus, I have no use for "gotcha" questions.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:16 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 4:44 PM
Because you're an askhole .
-- Posted by Rick' on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:08 PM
How else do you propose I learn about what others are saying?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:17 PM
No where does it say a question must be answered .
-- Posted by Rick' on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:20 PM
Who ever said it did? Certainly not me!
I don't care anyone answers me. I'm not Iamhere, making snarky comments because someone hasn't responded within 45 seconds.
If someone doesn't want to answer me, they are free to not answer. However, if they answer, but try to evade or change the subject, I'm going to repeat my question to keep the discussion on track.
If someone answers one question, I might have more. Same thing...no one has to answer.
For some reason, Wheels feels like not only does he not have to answer, he should not even be asked questions he doesn't want to answer. That's not how the world works, especially on a *discussion* forum.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:25 PM
Rick
This witch gives me a headache....
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:29 PM
I'm not you. I don't have preconceived ideas about others that I have to make them fit. Thus, I have no use for "gotcha" questions.-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:16 PM
Mic2: Are you trying to be made a Saint by the Pope, oh holy thou.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:25 PM
Mic2: Guess if you don't like the way some of us operate on these forums then either don't reply, sign off, or get the heck out of here.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:12 PM
Mic2: Are you trying to be made a Saint by the Pope, oh holy thou.
-- Posted by semo471 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:12 PM
Huh?
Mic2: Guess if you don't like the way some of us operate on these forums then either don't reply, sign off, or get the heck out of here.
-- Posted by semo471 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:12 PM
I think you should have directed your statement to Wheels...he's the one who works himself into a tizzy because I have the nerve ask him questions.
Wheels is the one who has a problem with the way others operate. I do not.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:15 PM
Wheels is the one who has a problem with the way others operate. I do not.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:15 PM
Mickey, with all of your whining, you seem to have a big problem with the way I operate.
You seem to think I am required to play your silly little games. Be assured I am not.
I raised 3 children to act as adults, I have gone through a number of Grandkids who all act as adults.
It is/was your parent's responsibility to raise you to act like an adult. If you are over 12.... knock off the kid crap and act your age.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:42 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:42 PM
I will say this ONE more time: I do not care what you (or anyone else here) do. I believe you are free to answer me or not, as your heart desires.
Should you choose not to converse with me, that is your prerogative. By all means, do what you want!
Like I mentioned earlier, you seem to have some idea that your desires should effect my behavior. They will not.
I am here to engage in discussion with other people. That is what I do. If I have questions about someone's opinions, I will ask. That's what the discussion is all about.
All you can do is choose whether to answer.
knock off the kid crap and act your age.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:42 PM
You know, that would carry more weight if you could manage to avoid name calling.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:06 PM
I don't have a problem with the 3rd vodka tonic but if that steak was over 16 ounces with a dessert, you could be driving Theorist back into madness.
Shame on you Wheels! :)
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:09 PM
You know, that would carry more weight if you could manage to avoid name calling.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:06 PM
Sorry but I did not call you a name. I just suggested you knock off the kid crap and grow up. Where was there a name in there.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:11 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:15 PM
Mic2: My comment was to you and not to "Wheels". I repeat don't reply to those that don't suit your ideals of conversing. I'll converse with you but you might not want to hear what I have to say because I don't do that PC crap.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:12 PM
- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:09 PM
Old John
It was a nice sized piece of prime rib just a tad on the rare side of medium and an end cut. Excellent.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:15 PM
Sorry but I did not call you a name. I just suggested you knock off the kid crap and grow up. Where was there a name in there.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:11 PM
You started your post by calling me "Mickey".
By the way, congratulations on yet again changing the topic of the thread away from something meaningful and onto me.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:22 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:15 PM
Mic2: My comment was to you and not to "Wheels". I repeat don't reply to those that don't suit your ideals of conversing.
-- Posted by semo471 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:12 PM
I know who your post was to; that's why I suggested that you should have addressed it to Wheels instead.
He is the one who is upset about the way I post, just because I don't shut up when he thinks I should. I have no issues with the way others post.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:25 PM
I think you should have directed your statement to Wheels...he's the one who works himself into a tizzy because I have the nerve ask him questions.
Wheels is the one who has a problem with the way others operate. I do not.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 7:15 PM
By the way, congratulations on yet again changing the topic of the thread away from something meaningful and onto me.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:22 PM
And you think your 7:15 post was not a diversion from the topic I presume.
You need to seek counseling, you are a mental case.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:33 PM
I have no issues with the way others post.-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:25 PM
Mic2: If that is true, then shut up!
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:33 PM
Mic2: If that is true, then shut up!
-- Posted by semo471 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:33 PM
Shut up about what?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:41 PM
And you think your 7:15 post was not a diversion from the topic presume.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:33 PM
What?
Why don't we just get back to discussing Hillary's role (or lack thereof) in deciding Bill's nominees?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:43 PM
Let's see, when was it this thread went from a discussion about the Clintons to a mickeycluster?
Strange that we are not hearing all kinds of defense of common's favorite candidate. I would have said Theorist's favorite candidate but we know she is an independent that will vote for Hillary because she's the underdog in the race and not because of favoritism.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:44 PM
Find someone else and discuss it to your hearts content.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:45 PM
Let's see, when was it this thread went from a discussion about the Clintons to a mickeycluster?-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:44 PM
Right here:
It is very obvious, you have no regard for the opinions of others anyway.... and especially mine.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:44 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:56 PM
Does anyone have any reason to believe Hillary was responsible for the nominations mentioned in the original post?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:57 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 8:41 PM
Mic2: Hillary did all of the deciding of Bill's nominees because he was too busy interviewing all the new female interns.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:00 PM
Mic2: Copied the wrong time stamp should have been the 8:57 PM.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:13 PM
Seems to me mischick is determined not to let this thread be about anything that would continue to discuss sir Hillary's background.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:14 PM
Semo471,
She acts like a paid operative from the DNC with a job to draw attention away from the favored candidates lack of qualifications for the office of President.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:17 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:14 PM
OJ: If I was an employer looking for someone to fill the office of the President and was looking over Hillary's resume, I would deposit it in the circular file located next to my desk.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:18 PM
Mic2: Copied the wrong time stamp should have been the 8:57 PM.
-- Posted by semo471 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:13 PM
I knew what you meant.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:31 PM
Seems to me mischick is determined not to let this thread be about anything that would continue to discuss sir Hillary's background.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:14 PM
Please, discuss Hillary. What makes you think she was responsible for the nominations listed in original post.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:32 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:31 PM
Mic2: Don't you agree with my comment.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:32 PM
Theorist, Neither did mine.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 9:48 PM
Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:25 PM
Keep my name out of your mouth!. I haven't been in on this but I can be if you want! Got it?!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 12:16 PM
making snarky comments because someone hasn't responded within 45 seconds.
Try 20 minutes but it sounds better when you say it huh?
How does it feel to have someone "on your back" for a reply for a change?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 12:20 PM
Try 20 minutes but it sounds better when you say it huh?
How does it feel to have someone "on your back" for a reply for a change?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 12:20 PM
Yes, I exaggerated for effect. That's why I chose a ridiculous number, to make that clear.
I have NEVER demanded a response from someone. Never.
If someone responds to me but avoids my question, sure, I will repeat it. However, if someone chooses not to respond to me, I do not mention it again.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 5:57 PM
So, is this thread about discussing a disgusting woman that common is defending to be president or another?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 5:57 PM
Posted by MicCheck2 on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 6:25 PM
That post is so full of horse apples that all I can do is ask you to put them neatly in a bushel basket. You are not only the nosiest person on here, you're the most ignorant fool I ever "met".
-- Posted by G. H. on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 1:04 PM
Name one thing in my post that was untrue.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 5:58 PM
So, is this thread about discussing a disgusting woman that common is defending to be president or another?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 5:57 PM
At this point it seems you and I are the only ones with a desire to talk about Hillary.
Do you think Hillary was responsible for the nominations mentioned in the original post? If so, what led you to that conclusion.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:01 PM
I think Mick wants to keep talking about a forwarded email which is IMO technically an opinion. So do you think the Clintons weren't so bad?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:16 PM
Do you think Hillary was responsible for the nominations mentioned in the original post? If so, what led you to that conclusion.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:01 PM
I belive she is responsible for suggesting them to Slick Willy, he would be responsible for nominating them. After all as Hillary reportedly said..... we are the President.
So far as how I arrived at that conclusion on my part..... is really none of your business.
So both of your questions are answered.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:18 PM
technically an opinion. So do you think the Clintons weren't so bad?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:16 PM
Technically an opinion? No, it is clearly an opinion.
As for the Clintons, no I don't think they were that bad. Everything bad I hear is always speculation and exaggeration and no one every seems willing or able to back up those opinions.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:37 PM
"Everything bad I hear is always speculation and exaggeration and no one every seems willing or able to back up those opinions."
That means you are very young, ignorant of history or with a far left liberal-progressive fundamentally change America agenda, the way I see it.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:47 PM
That means you are very young, ignorant of history or with a far left liberal-progressive fundamentally change America agenda, the way I see it.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:47 PM
Fair enough, you might be right. Are you willing to provide evidence to back up your opinion of the Clintons?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 7:10 PM
With the constant questions asked by a particular poster, mostly to distract from the message..... that would be my opinion. I will try to provided some answers.
Below is Point #1 and some sources for information that will confirm that Hilary Clinton did indeed lead the effort to pass a Health Care Bill beginning in 1993. An effort in which she ultimately failed!
* When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn't even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 7:39 PM
Wheels, What do you want to bet against getting another question?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 7:44 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 7:39 PM
Yes, Hillary led the charge for health care reform in 1993. I don't dispute that.
Yes, it did not pass.
How does that show the Clintons "are so bad"?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 8:41 PM
* Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood -- both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno -- husband Bill described her selection as "my worst mistake." Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:02 PM
Wheels, What do you want to bet against getting another question?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 7:44 PM
Old John,
I don't take sucker bets.
The whole issue of those 9 points was to show this woman does not show good judgement.
When the "askhole" needs more information she can educate herself by reading.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:06 PM
Just dam, I would have won that bet and I was thinking a big steak and dessert.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:02 PM
Thanks. I'll read those over later.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:29 PM
Wheels, Double or nothing?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:48 PM
Just dam, I would have won that bet and I was thinking a big steak and dessert.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM
Just dam, I would have won that bet and I was thinking a big steak and dessert.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM :-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:52 PM
Ooops! Double Dribble. Thought I had cured that.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 9:53 PM
Wheels, I am not a big sports fan and may not know what I am talking about but double dribble was once a call. Seems to me that players today can get away with that and carrying the ball and what we deemed walking and more. Based upon that, I shall overlook your error of double dribble.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 10:13 PM
Possibly the SO 8 are making a seamless transition from apparent Obama hatred to apparent Hillary hatred. The latter has a nice ring to it, but she hasn't even been elected yet.
Mr. Big Wheel seems to have done extensive internet research and clearly knows hindsight when he sees it. Most of the observations give the impression of poor decision making that occurred 20 or more years ago. It may be worthwhile to point out that one the best ways to make good decisions is to have learned from the experience of poor decisions. And even that is relative, since one person's good decision may be another's bad decision.
In any case it's easy enough to find supposedly "bad" decisions with the magic of the internet. Actually if you look up "Hillary is evil" you get 17.7 million results in 0.42 seconds, but if you look up "Hillary is great" you get 105 results in 0.39 seconds. Guess the internet is on Hillary's side.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM
Everything bad I hear is always speculation and exaggeration and no one every seems willing or able to back up those opinions.-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 6:37 PM
Mic2: Don't go by what you have read on the Leftist web sites about the low life Clinton's get on Google and read up on their criminal activities since Bill was AG of Arkansas. Don't overlook all the sexual assault charges of Bill and cover ups either by Hillary....BTW, this will take days so get at it.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:46 AM
Guess the internet is on Hillary's side.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM
Common: Do you ever re-read your comments before you post them?
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:48 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:04 AM
Theorist: Did you not see the error in Common's post or did you just over look it since he is a PC Liberal Democrat like yourself....sorry but sometimes the truth hurts.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:21 AM
Common: Do you then believe Hillary is evil since the Internet says so?
There Theorist, is that better....hate to have to school a teacher especially my grade school teacher.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:36 AM
Theorist: Looks like I struck a nerve, that's what you get when you jump in to try to save your fellow Liberals. Is that pertinent or profound enough for you.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:43 AM
Oh, you poor thing...does it make you feel better to point out others errors? Would you like me to point out your errors?-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM
Theorist: Like you don't already, can you say call the kettle black. ☺☺
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:51 AM
I have noticed this as well. Apparently Wheels is sure of her election, and wants to get a "head start".
I think he has a problem with strong women. (joke)
-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:04 AM
Don't be stupid, I would like to see some educated voters at the voting booth this year as opposed to 2008 and 2012.
The "strong women" comment appears to be a favorite fallback of yours when you have little to say. For your information, I have been married to one for 58 years.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:55 AM
Actually if you look up "Hillary is evil" you get 17.7 million results in 0.42 seconds, but if you look up "Hillary is great" you get 105 results in 0.39 seconds. Guess the internet is on Hillary's side.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM
Can I think about that for a moment before I respond.....
I have thought about it. Common you are the average low information voter from the left.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:00 AM
Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM
Just exactly who is the SO8 you keep referring to?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:15 AM
In any case it's easy enough to find supposedly "bad" decisions with the magic of the internet. Actually if you look up "Hillary is evil" you get 17.7 million results in 0.42 seconds, but if you look up "Hillary is great" you get 105 results in 0.39 seconds. Guess the internet is on Hillary's side.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM
Oh, my goodness, common! You forgot the word "million" in the second-to-last sentence! You must be stupid! No one else here has ever made a mistake! We should all concentrate on that error and ignore everything else you said.
My God, man, how can you live with yourself.
/sarcasm
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:23 AM
Name one thing in my post that was untrue.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Fri, Jan 8, 2016, at 5:58 PM
Come on. It was less than 20 minutes after you post! If you're going to deride someone for not responding to you, don't you think you should give them a bit longer?
making snarky comments because someone hasn't responded within 45 seconds
That's 1.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:24 AM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:23 AM
Mic2: Guess now you know why I asked Common if he ever re-reads his comments before posting them. Mic2 just joined in with Theorist to defend another PC Liberal Democrat from that evil semo471.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:30 AM
Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:23 AM
You are no. 1 in pointing out any mistake and harping on it until it gets everyone frustrated.
You seem to zero in on 1 thing and drive everyone nuts with it.
As for myself you lost all credibility and ruined yourself here when you pulled that crap on G.H.
Now maybe you can understand the attitude toward you.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:34 AM
That's 1.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:24 AM
The post you quoted was not the one in question.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:45 AM
Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:23 AM
You are no. 1 in pointing out any mistake and harping on it until it gets everyone frustrated.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:34 AM
No, I'm not. You are either confusing me with someone else or not actually reading what u post.
You seem to zero in on 1 thing and drive everyone nuts with it.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:34 AM
See above.
As for myself you lost all credibility and ruined yourself here when you pulled that crap on
Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:34 AM
The only reason anyone would care if the FBI read his comment is if they agreed with me that it could be construed as a threat.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:50 AM
It sure was! It was the one where you stated 45 seconds. The other was to show that you have lied to make it look better. It was earlier so together they show 2 different times and both your posts and you lied in the one in question!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:52 AM
"As for myself you lost all credibility and ruined yourself here when you pulled that crap on G.H."
Nix, nay, her credibility went to zero way, long before that, back before it was MicCheck2. Back in the days when she was claiming "Superiority".
She has just continued to build her image as a troublemaker since then.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:03 AM
Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:03 AM
She/He seems to pick you out and even when you answer the question continues to berate you and just won't quit.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:12 AM
She loves me! :-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:17 AM
The only reason anyone would care if the FBI read his comment is if they agreed with me that it could be construed as a threat.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:50 AM
Another lie. No one else thought that. We come here to discuss and sometimes we cuss but no where did he even say anything that was a threat to the life of the President but in your warped mind.
The fact that you would do that is more harassment and drawing attention to yourself than anything else.
I believe you lied abt that also just to see what would happen.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:18 AM
Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:17 AM
It is more like obsessed! I would watch out. :)
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:34 AM
It sure was! It was the one where you stated 45 seconds. The other was to show that you have lied to make it look better. It was earlier so together they show 2 different times and both your posts and you lied in the one in question!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 10:52 AM
What? G.H. was referring to a specific post of mine when he said it was a "load of apples". I asked him to show me one lie in said post.
You quoted an untrue statement (hyperbole) in a completely separate post.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:35 AM
Another lie. No one else thought that. We come here to discuss and sometimes we cuss but no where did he even say anything that was a threat to the life of the President but in your warped mind.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:18 AM
Then why are you STILL upset that the FBI might read that comment?
If "no one thought that", then you should have no problem with the FBI reading it as the FBI would just say, "Well, that's no threat!" and move on.
The ONLY reason anything more would come of the situation is if the FBI agreed with my interpretation of the post (which they apparently did not) and you know it.
Of course, let us not forget that the whole situation would have been avoided had G.H. clarified his vague statement when asked instead of telling me to decided on my own.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:39 AM
Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:35 AM
It was the same post where you made a "snarky" remark abt me and that I couldn't wait 45 seconds for a reply. That was a lie.
No more questions.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:39 AM
Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:39 AM
I am not upset. To put it simply so that you can understand I don't like ppl like you that only want to harass others. You always try to create something out of nothing.
If that isn't plain enough, I just don't like you.
I don't like the things you do.
There's that brutal honesty again but you asked for it.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:46 AM
It was the same post where you made a "snarky" remark abt me and that I couldn't wait 45 seconds for a reply. That was a lie.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:39 AM
Right you are. I'm not sure what I was thinking of. I apologize for the error.
Again, the "45 seconds" was untrue. However, it was clearly meant to be an exaggeration. It's called "hyperbole" and people use it to make a point.
I apologize if you thought I was speaking literally.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:52 AM
I am not upset.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 11:46 AM
Then why are you still bringing it up a month later (FYI, I am not sure of the exact date, so that may be wrong. I'm not trying to lie)?
You don't have to like me. I'm not here to make friends. I think some people here see this as a "social club" where they gather with their friends and chat about their dinner plans, old memories, and travel, etc.
That's fine, but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to discuss various issues and get other people's opinions on things. That's why I ask so many questions. Unlike some people here, I do not think I'm a mind reader.
How many people here have said they don't want to talk to me...yet, here I am, responding to even more posts.
I have to give G. H. credit for being honest when he tells me to just "go away". I think that's what several here want. Like I've said above, they don't want to avoid my questions, they want to not have them asked.
Like I've said above, no one here has the right to not be asked questions nor the right to have posters they do not like "go away".
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:00 PM
Then why are you still bringing it up a month later
I only referenced that to show one of the reasons for my feelings toward you.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:04 PM
Posted by Rick' on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:04 PM
I have seen that SO 8 used several times. I was just curious as to whom or what they were referring.
Guess common got stumped and couldn't answer. :)
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:12 PM
I think some people here see this as a "social club" where they gather with their friends and chat about their dinner plans, old memories, and travel, etc.
It is bound to happen when ppl gather on a site and share their thoughts. It helps you to understand why most feel the way they do.
Such as Rick's heritage gives you the insight of why he feels the way he does abt Federal Gov. Overreach. It also explains why he doesn't want to be "pushed" on issues.
Wheel's has lived longer than I and has more direct memories and knowledge of past events.
Maybe the issue is your lack of wanting to be friendly and instead just ask questions and discuss issues without "knowing" those who are commenting and their backgrounds.
If you take the time to know ppl you don't have to ask so many BS questions.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:29 PM
Posted by Rick' on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:18 PM
I knew that it was Speak Out 8 but I never really see 8 posters. I guess even though I'm not RC I would be included bc I have had more than enough of Obuma and can't stand Hillary or Trump or Cruz for that matter.
I may write in Mickey Mouse in Nov. :)
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:38 PM
Like I've said above, no one here has the right to not be asked questions nor the right to have posters they do not like "go away".-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:00 PM
Mic2: You can ask all the lame questions that you want to and it's the other folks rights to answer or not to answer your lame questions....whatever suits them. Any questions?
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:43 PM
I put together a pot of 3 Beer Chili while all of this controversy has been unwinding. I see little has really changed. ;-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 1:47 PM
The following link is to Snopes and they do not give it a False which is very odd for that way left of center organization, but neither will they give it a True, which I would expect.
Books and Pages are quoted. I am posting this for each and everyone of you to make your own observations and opinions. I have no intention to defend it in any way.... all I intend to tell you is refer to Snopes, that is a favorite of the left and I think it is very telling that they do not deny it.
I think we need to know what we are thinking about making Commander in Chief of the Military when she apparently can not stand them.
Personally I think there is way too much smoke here for there not to be a fire. This goes right long with all the criticisms I heard about her back in the day when Clinton was President. He would have been a lot easier to take without her around.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 2:16 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 2:16 PM
Wheels: Doesn't she sound like a wonderful person. If only half of these quotes are correct, Lord help us.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 2:39 PM
Mic2: You can ask all the lame questions that you want to and it's the other folks rights to answer or not to answer your lame questions....whatever suits them. Any questions?
-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:43 PM
No questions at all. In fact, you just said the same thing I've said for the past 2 days!
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:10 PM
If you take the time to know ppl you don't have to ask so many BS questions.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 12:29 PM
How would you propose I "get to know" people without asking questions?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:11 PM
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:11 PM
Mic2: You have been on these threads long enough to know the folks that post on here. Most are in their 50s and older such as Theorist, most are highly opinionated such as Common, most have true life experiences except Mic2, most have European ancestors except Rick, and most are friendly and happy go lucky such as semo471. Hopes this helps you.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:31 PM
"Carefull there Wheels , I've been accused of being in love with Theorist on more then one occasion merely for agreeing with her opinions ."
Obviously he hasn't seen your latest responses!!! And I am still working on that issue which I feel is paramount, and I CAN use capitals for emphasis if I want!!! :)
-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:29 PM
Theorist,
I cannot understand what it is you are saying or what you point is.
Are you drinking adult beverages this afternoon?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:44 PM
-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:31 PM
That's what I thought, but Iamhere said I didn't.
It's funny, though, that you claim I haven't had "real-life experiences", which just shows you haven't made any effort to get to know me.
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:57 PM
No dear, you are the vodka tonic sieve....
-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:49 PM
Look Sweetie, Calling me a "sieve" is a bit of a stretch even for you. I have no problem saying I am having a couple of drinks. I was out with my wife and we were waiting for the Prime Rib Special that evening which you will normally be early for if you are going to get to eat, as it fills up early.
Restaurants do not like a person taking up space if they are not spending money, so, with no apologies, I had a couple of drinks as I said. Believe me 3 small drinks of 7 or 8 ounces is no big deal. Next you will be having me admitted to AA. Also was checking in on the lunacy going on with SO and the Forums. Now there is something that could tend to drive a sane man crazy or at least to drink.
Do I need your permission to take a drink?
Oh yeah, and still no answer to why you made such a pointless post.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 4:10 PM
Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:43 PM
Theorist and Mic2: That was my shot gun post in order to get all of you at once and was just done in fun....that's all. Out of here, taking girlfriend to see the Elvis imitator at the Cape casino. Semo471 has left the building.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 4:47 PM
Posted by G. H. on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 5:22 PM
So true. Anyway she/he has Theorist to speak for them and try to make an issue out of something that wasn't.
Next time ppl start posting Theorist beliefs I just won't ask her for the truth. I'll just pass along what others say bc if you ask her if it is true you are a bully. Then she starts telling you why she feels that way(even though you didn't ask) and that is somehow your fault too.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 5:56 PM
Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 6:05 PM
That was when I first started posting and I knew nothing abt anyone. You kept responding and not saying yea or nay. All I asked was for the truth from you. Then you accused me of "spreading" false claims around, which I did not do. I never asked you to explain why you felt the way you did. I only asked your stance.
I could have just took what the others were saying as the truth and left it at that.
I was considerate enough to ask you myself and you have harped on it ever since.
So you can now harp on yourself bc I am done.
Oh and 1 more thing: abt is about. I worked genealogy and it is used a lot in reference to dates when you don't have the precise date.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 6:48 PM
I'm not here to make friends.
I think some people here see this as a "social club" where they gather with their friends and chat about their dinner plans, old memories, and travel, etc.
That's fine,but that's not what I'm here for.
/////////////////////////////////////////////
This was the reason for me saying maybe MicCheck should try to be more friendly.
I have no clue how long anyone has been on here so it was just a response to a post.
Sorry.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 7:06 PM
I came aboard sometime in 2007 I believe... it might have been 2006. Didn't write it down but it was quite awhile before the current unqualified loser became President. I was ordered off the forums by a Poster who thought I had no right to an opinion on a subject at one time. There were no Forums when I started posting, just Speak Out.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 7:31 PM
No dear, you are the vodka tonic sieve....
-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 3:49 PM
Is gin and tonic OK?
-- Posted by MicCheck2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:20 PM
My preference is vodka tonics, but gin works too. I limit my intake.... I learned early in life I could not drink it all and besides that drinking in excess always gave me a horrible headache. I would have a real problem trying to be an alcoholic..... I'm not big on self inflicted pain, or any other kind of pain for that matter.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:28 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 7:31 PM
As you know I have only been around a few months.
From the very beginning Theorist has basically let me know that she would prefer me not to be here. Why? I never have found out. She just harps on that one issue abt her stance on abortion.
It is funny that of everyone that was getting on to MicCheck I am the only one she responded to. Notice that? That is usually how it is.
I tried to stay out of it but he/she (MicCheck) threw my name out there and drug me into it.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:28 PM
"I don't remember you being ordered off.."
Oh yes, it was over someone who I felt was undergoing a character assassination locally and I said so. I was told in no uncertain terms by a poster it was none of my business and to quit posting. It was quite a while back.
Of course I graciously complied.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:40 PM
Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 2:16 PM
Oh yeah. Lots of etiquette here. What a person to admire.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:34 PM
Posted by Theorist on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:35 PM
You are warped. You also said you don't lie but just posted a bunch. You can't accuse me of all that BS and say honesty at the same time.
You need to look hard at your own posts. But you also have to look at all posts and stop singling out just mine. That is where your issue is.
Then again you are one who is all abt Hillary Clinton. Birds of a feather?
I can't help who I agree with. I have my own thoughts and opinions.
You seem to be as rude and cruel as anyone and started this whole ordeal between us.
Every post to me has been rude and hateful and you jump in on things just because it is me. You do it constantly. You single me out no matter what is going on and no matter how many are involved. If you are going to do it be consistent and jump us all, unless you are afraid of the others.
You really need to get over this obsession.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 9:51 PM
-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 7:56 AM
Theorist: That sounds like a threat to me maybe Mic2 will report you to the FBI. Very sad comment from a PC Liberal Democrat that promotes compassion for others.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 8:22 AM
-- Posted by Rick' on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 6:22 AM
Rick: "Love means never having to say you're sorry".
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 8:29 AM
Theorist, Not the first time you have been off! :)
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:17 AM
"Most are in their 50s and older such as Theorist, most are highly opinionated such as Common, most have true life experiences except Mic2, most have European ancestors except Rick, and most are friendly and happy go lucky such as semo471. Hopes this helps you."
Semo471,
Now that you are back and rested.....I tend to disagree with your assessment of Theorist's age. Anyone much over 50 made it through college without having the wacky socialist philosophy so deeply ingrained in their makeup.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:22 AM
I can block you if you would like. If you want me to keep you visible, then I am likely to point out what I disagree with...sorry.-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 7:56 AM
How on earth did you get that? -- Posted by Theorist on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:08 AM
Theorist: Sounds like a threat....Mic2 report her.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:26 AM
I can block you if you would like. If you want me to keep you visible, then I am likely to point out what I disagree with...sorry.
-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 7:56 AM
My oldest daughter, when she was about 1 1/2 to 2 years old used to think you couldn't see her if she closed her eyes real tight. Maybe you could just have whomever you want to block do that in the future. They would be invisible and it would save having to block them.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:32 AM
Posted by Theorist on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 7:56 AM
You are singling me out that is a fact.
In that whole mess with MicCheck you chose to overlook that Wheels posted STFU and Rick has named them "askhole".
( Wheels and Rick I am just using these for an example)
Nothing I said came even close to this but who did you berate? Only me, with the exception of telling Wheels that if you were one to report things you would report him.
So you need to look at yourself not me.
Furthermore I did not even get involved in the whole mess until MicCheck threw my name in with a false claim.
You can do as you please I guess I can't stop you.
I didn't order anyone off. I just stated that I don't like some of the things that MicCheck does.
People who jump to conclusions and make those types of phone calls in daily life I avoid. I don't want to be next on the list to be harassed.
I feel that no one should call in on anyone unless they know for a fact what is going on and not just bc they think it might be or someone else says it is. You need to have solid proof of something before you call any agency for any reason.
It has to do with trust. MicCheck has to earn that back with me. Sorry but that is just me.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 10:13 AM
Possibly the SO 8 are making a seamless transition from apparent Obama hatred to apparent Hillary hatred. The latter has a nice ring to it, but she hasn't even been elected yet.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM
Republican front-runner Donald Trump praised the Clintons in a 2008 blog post, calling Bill Clinton "a great president" -- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 3:46 PM
===
Predictably, the solon of Scopus hasn't transitioned at all. You're so concerned about Trump and he hasn't even been elected yet. Does this mean you will be voting for him?
Sorry - Obama can't run again Common. What will you do with your life's achievement of defending the man incessantly?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 10:28 AM
-- Posted by Dug on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 10:28 AM
Dug: Pres. Pinky might just sign an Executive Order to run for a third term; after all he seems to ignore the Constitution.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM
-- Posted by semo471 on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM
Oh please don't give him any ideas. :)
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 11:09 AM
-- Posted by G. H. on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 3:04 PM
G.H: If Hillary is elected it would be his 3rd term.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 4:38 PM
I'm not a good researcher. I can't seem to find out just what happened to Tyler Drumheller.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 8:33 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 8:33 PM
Old John,
More of the ongoing saga of Hillary Clinton and her misdeeds in office.
Bottom line, this whole thing isn't going anywhere, the coverup has already been paid for and it will all be dismissed for a lack of evidence..... that is my opinion.
She will go on to live happily ever after and be nominated as the Democratic Candidate for President of the United States of America.
What remains to be seen.... have the American voters wised up, or are they still as low information as they were in electing Obama?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:03 PM
Wheels, The sad thing is not that the low informed voters will pull the handle for anyone democrat, but those that claim to be superior in logic and well informed will vote democrat just because.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:11 PM
"but those that claim to be superior in logic and well informed"
Old John,
They can claim to be anything they want to be, that don't make it so.... and since we don't know who they are, we have little to go on regarding how well informed they really are.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:42 PM
We may have to wait for some sage logic to understand it.
Could be everything I think about Hillary and Bill is due to right wing media and Republican conspiracies intended to discredit the loving couple?
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 10:23 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 10, 2016, at 9:11 PM
OJ: IMO, those who depend 100% of their income from the government shouldn't be able to vote since it's illegal to buy votes.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Jan 11, 2016, at 8:43 AM
Love means it's never had to be said , it's an understood feeling between 2 .
-- Posted by Rick' on Mon, Jan 11, 2016, at 7:00 PM
Sometimes you need to say it just so they know you still mean it in times of comfort or trouble.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 5:45 AM
"What remains to be seen.... have the American voters wised up..."
If you look at the minority of republican/conservatives that are "Trump fanatics,"
maybe not.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:31 AM
"...those who depend 100% of their income from the government shouldn't be able to vote since it's illegal to buy votes."
Exactly who are "those people" and how many of them are there (that really get 100% of their income from the government.)
That's not just food stamps, EIC, housing aid, school lunches, etc, you said 100%.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:35 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:31 AM
You're so concerned about Trump and he hasn't even been elected yet.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:42 AM
"What remains to be seen.... have the American voters wised up..."
If you look at the minority of republican/conservatives that are "Trump fanatics,"
maybe not.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:31 AM
What is it about you Common that you never seem to be honest enough to quote the whole sentence of something being said. My comment in total was
"What remains to be seen.... have the American voters wised up, or are they still as low information as they were in electing Obama?"
Had nothing to do with "Trump" who you eem to be fantasizing about.
You're welcome!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM
I heard Hillary went on the Hellie Degenerate show. Hellie danced around a table and Hillary danced around the truth. :)
The latest release of mail has enough to prove Hillary has technically broken the law.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:52 AM
A hug and a kiss speaks louder then words.-- Posted by Rick' on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 9:12 AM
Rick: A combination of both is ideal - a hug and a kiss with an I love you whispered in girlfriend's ear does wonders.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 9:36 AM
Yeah..... and it can also contribute to the population explosion.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 9:40 AM
"I heard Hillary went on the Hellie Degenerate show. Hellie danced around a table and Hillary danced around the truth. :)"
Old John,
I thought I was the only one calling her Ellen Degenerate. Great minds think alike!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 9:43 AM
That's not just food stamps, EIC, housing aid, school lunches, etc, you said 100%.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:35 AM
Common: Approximately 52.2 million (or 21.3 percent) people in the U.S.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 9:43 AM
The thought has occurred to me that here in Missouri we were dumb enough to elect a dead man to the United States Senate.
Let's hope that we don't follow that up nationally by electing a Morally Bankrupt woman to the office of President of the United States.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 9:47 AM
Wheels, Was Mel a close friend to the Clintons?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 10:23 AM
Wheels, Was Mel a close friend to the Clintons?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 10:23 AM
Hmmmmmm! I didn't think so. Then who knows.
It was supposed to have been pilot error if I remember correctly. His son was the pilot.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 10:38 AM
"21.3 Percent of U.S. Population Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month"
Yet by no means does that say they receive 100% of their income from the US government.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 1:35 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 1:35 PM
Common: Do you think that they actually work and make money when the government is taking care of them. Once again their income is 100% from the government....not counting the dope sales and any other unreported income.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 2:31 PM
Semo, A few years after I retired I took a part time job and became aware of several [mostly women] that worked long hours and were receiving government help with food and sometimes utilities help.
Some of these gals told me of buying food at half price from deadbeats not in need.
Anyway, the problem as I see it is the government has made it possible for fathers to be paid for not supporting their families. They keep at arms length and enjoy their freedom in the streets while the unmarried mothers take care of business and government has nurtured that idea of dependency.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Jan 12, 2016, at 8:04 PM
-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 8:43 AM
Theorist: We should be the smartest with all the money spent on education but the results don't prove it out. See the following comment from the attached link:
ranked #14 United States
◦Many would fancy US as the nation top ranked in the education systems which is a far off thing. Despite a well developed and one of the strongest economies in the world, the educational systems are ranked are not even cracking in the top 10. The $1.3 trillion (overall) national educational budget is earning a literacy rate of 99% (both male & female). 81.5 million Students are enrolled annually with 38% in primary, 26% secondary and 20.5 million making to post-secondary. 85% of the students have attained the secondary diploma while other 30% of the post-secondary diploma holders are also estimated. All the citizens are entitled to free education until high school education.
◦GDP per Capita: $54,980 (6th highest in the world)
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 9:50 AM
-- Posted by semo471 on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 9:50 AM
Now get out the recently paid real estate tax bills, check the percentage of those taxes that goes to schools, then tell me you think we are getting our money's worth.
I know the educators are going to tell you we do not spend enough money on education and that is the problem. I don't think so.
As Rick says when government fails throw some more government at it. And these are government schools we are talking about.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 10:21 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 11:42 AM
Theorist: Without seeing your links, the following link shows that the rate of college grads unemployed between 20-24 (does not include current students) was at 28%. Not too impressive is it. Maybe faced with large student loans and no jobs makes more USA grads more suicidal. Following your logic, we need to cut out the student loans (loan control) so as to reduce the suicide rates.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 12:16 PM
Yes I can see a problem with everybody being highly educated and the best job they can land is being the Mon Back on a trash truck.
In last nights speech Obama says we have to provide a college education for everyone. Which is total BS..... not everyone has the aptitude for it to start with and we need smart mechanics with a knowledge of the trade, which is furnished by technical schools as opposed to Colleges and Universities
Of course now many of the tech schools of the past have now added college to their name.
Upon speaking to the service manager of my old company just recently he is complaining that the quality of the students he is interviewing from our old standby for trainees has gone way down and the price these kids are paying has gone way up, which coincides with their ability to get a government funded loan.
He complains that the school is now just processing them through to collect the money.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 12:24 PM
Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 1:00 PM
Theorist: Are you satisfied that the USA rate is 28% vs 32% for S. Korea a very small country?
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 2:58 PM
Posted by Rick' on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 3:32 PM
Rick, I don't know if you have children in school but let me tell you that the Common Core math is just crazy.
My grandchildren that live with me are having to do that crap.
They also took spelling tests away with that. It is just so much more difficult for them. I wish they would go back to the way it used to be.
They say it is supposed to help with critical thinking.
To me it is just a cluster****.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 4:17 PM
critical thinking.-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 4:17 PM
Iamhere: My idea of "critical thinking" is when I think of all the problems that our President has gotten us into the last 7 years....the rise of ISIS, $19 trillion debt, and the Affordable Care Act which isn't affordable unless the government is giving it to you free or at a small premium. These are just a few that make up his "legacy" to us, our kids, and our grandkids.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 6:21 PM
-- Posted by Rick' on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 1:12 AM
Rick: IMO, the government wants dumb citizens because they are more easier to control.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 8:47 AM
Rick,
I have one in 7th and one in 2nd.
The 7th grader showed me a paper that her teacher had marked wrong. While checking her work of abt 10 different steps(something I could have done the old way in a matter of sec.) all was correct and she wrote the answer as .1 .
Her teacher marked the entire thing wrong bc she said the correct answer was 0.1. Now if it had been something like 1.1 or over I could see it but 0 is nothing and I would have done the same thing.
Now the 2nd grader was doing addition of 3 numbers laid out as: 48+5+3=55 which I was saying was wrong. Apparently the "new" way is to add a +1 to the upper right above the answer and that is how you end up with the correct answer.
Ok now he did an entire paper like that for homework and when it came back home it was all correct so explain that crap.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 9:17 AM
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 9:17 AM
Iamhere: And we wonder why the government can't keep track of the money....18 trillion + 1 trillion + 1 trillion = 19 trillion (with a one above the 19)....good grief.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 10:31 AM
Posted by semo471 on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 10:31 AM
Yes and it never ends. Homework every night is a learning experience for me also. :)
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 2:27 PM
-- Posted by Rick' on Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 4:18 PM
Rick: Wish that I had heard of "Reverse Polish Notation" when reporting inventory numbers to corporate back in the day. ☺☺
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Jan 15, 2016, at 9:32 AM
There are smart (very smart)individuals everywhere. I still do believe that the USA provides a better education to 'all' their people, better than any other nation.
-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 13, 2016, at 8:43 AM
They won't use it. The liberals have taught too many good people that they can rely the on government's teet if work is too hard for them.
A brick mason can make $38 per hour, requires no college, and the union will train you. They can also count on having a job the rest of their lives. I can get a man a job starting in the spring if he has a reliable background but reliable is the problem. I wont recommend today's youngsters unless I know them personally.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sat, Jan 16, 2016, at 10:05 PM
Posted by Rick' on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 8:55 AM
I believe the electrical workers used to but that was a lot of years ago.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 10:15 AM
A skilled and talented job, but Union forced. Those who are working independently are harassed...I wonder if I know you Willy....
-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 8:54 AM
Not necessarily. I know many independants and they pay well also. I have never been harassed but I use union labor as needed. I would rather pay $40 per hour for a good guy than $20 and hour for a bum that was raised to live off the system. I will get quality work done for the same cost and less headaches.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 1:12 PM
Posted by Rick' on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 1:38 PM
I don't know if they are still around but the Craftsman's Union in Cape was like that. Like I said that was probably 35 yrs ago when I knew anyone there.
The Kelley's were all involved in it at that time.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 2:45 PM
Back to the Clinton's....
What about Whitewater Gate? Mrs McDougal? She wrote the book "The Woman Who Wouldn't Talk". Thank god Bill pardoned her. She's lucky to be alive.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 9:36 PM
Regret, I can't remember the name of the book but I read the reviews and heard an author making the point that Hillary was involved in the greatest breech of the constitution ever in bringing down Nixon. Not in defense of Nixon but pointing out the seeds of Hillary's involvement in corruption it was. It kind of set the stage for what the elite can get away with.
It will be interesting to see which one they run, Grandma or Grandpa or some other idiot.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 17, 2016, at 10:15 PM
The fact of the matter of Hillary and Nixon is this: she was a young attorney on the House judiciary committee investigating Nixon and Watergate at the time.
Jerry Zeifman (Democrat), a counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Clinton on the Watergate investigation states that she "... engaged in a variety of self-serving unethical practices in violation of House rules."
Rodham (Hillary) regularly consulted with Ted Kennedy's chief political strategist, a violation of House rules.
Rodham (Hillary Clinton) wrote a fraudulent legal brief, and confiscated public documents. After the Nixon impeachment investigation was finished, Zeifman fired Hillary and said he refused to give her a letter of recommendation.
Zeifman said, "Hillary Clinton is ethically unfit to be either a senator or president -- and if she were to become president, the last vestiges of the traditional moral authority of the party of Roosevelt, Truman and Johnson will be destroyed."
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 8:42 AM
Not sure how many saw the debate last nite but it was enough to convince me that I am right in feeling she is not the one to be President.
She was responding to the question of what she would do to help stop the heroin and opioid epidemic. While what she said was well received by others I saw no sincerity and felt she really didn't have real concern for these ppl suffering. She just was matter of fact and not caring.
The more I watched her I noticed she is very good at spinning things.
She would attack Sanders and keep talking even though they were trying to get her to stop and she was twisting every word she could and then smile knowing that once you plant the seed of doubt (even though she was twisting the truth) that there would now be doubt bc of what she said.
I still don't like any candidate and don't trust her or Sanders or Trump or Cruz for that matter.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 9:32 AM
Source?
-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 8:59 AM
Funny Theorist, you can remember a candidate who was still in school doing silly kid stuff as a "bully"..... but you cannot remember anything about a candidate who acted unprofessionally as a grown adult.
Would that be known as selective memory?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 10:04 AM
Source? -- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 8:59 AM
Just a few of hundreds. I wasn't going to do the work for you but decided to help another low-info democrat who is about to vote for one of the most corrupt, criminal politicians in US history and didn't have a clue about this week known incident of Hillary Clintons outrageous immoral and illegal past.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 10:42 AM
"this week known" should be "this well known".
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 10:58 AM
Question of the day?
Why do facts always cause the Leftists to go dark with nothing more to say?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 12:13 PM
With the current Administration going out with it's tail between it's legs it's real dam hard to find anything positive to defend .
-- Posted by Rick' on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 1:29 PM
Yeah, and especially with nothing any better on the horizon.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 3:35 PM
With the current Administration going out with it's tail between it's legs it's real dam hard to find anything positive to defend .
-- Posted by Rick' on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 1:29 PM
I think all grave markers should state if someone voted for Obama so our children will know where to relieve themselves. They are going to pay bigtime for this mess.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Jan 18, 2016, at 9:44 PM
Posted by 'Rick on Tue, Jan 19, 2016, at 7:25 AM
I for one don't think it would be a good idea for her to get elected.
1. She lies a lot. She is also very manipulative and cunning. I don't think there isn't anything she wouldn't do to get what she wants.
2. I don't believe most world leaders trust or like her either. That is a major issue in my book.
3. She wants to just continue with the same crap we have been living with for the past 7 years.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Tue, Jan 19, 2016, at 9:58 AM
Test
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Jan 19, 2016, at 3:15 PM
Looking kind of sheepish, Dug....did you read the snopes report? -- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Jan 19, 2016, at 7:25 PM
I read it long before you posted it and saw it was biased. But a "sheep" like you bought it hook, line and sinker. Did you read these statements?
"One might assert, as Chief Minority Counsel Frank Polk did, that Hillary could have taken a better approach to the task and "should have mentioned [the Douglas case], and then tried to argue whether that was a change of policy or not instead of just ignoring it and taking the precedent out of the opinion," but it's highly subjective to suggest she was "unethical" and "dishonest" for carrying out the instructions of her immediate supervisor and his boss. One could just as plausibly argue that it would have been unethical and dishonest (not to mention insubordinate) for Hillary to presume to substitute her own judgment for that of her superiors and to refuse to comply with their directions. "
===
Snopes admits that their so-called "claims" are subjective and they admit that "one could plausibly argue", etc. etc. In other words, they don't know any more than Zeifman. I'll take the word of the man who was in charge and not your weak posting from Snopes. Was Snopes there at the Nixon impeachment process? Thats what I thought.
Now ask your Hillary loving heart these simple questions. Were these true? Maybe you should check with Snopes since you probably don't know about this. Low-info much?
1. Chelsea Clinton was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.
2. Hillary claimed she landed under sniper fire in Bosnia.
3. Hillary claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary.
4. Her family was dead broke when they left the White House.
5. Benghazi was about a video - lied bold-faced to the victims families.
===
She's your leader! I would expect no less since you also adore Barack Obama.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 8:59 AM
Dug,
I agree on the Snopes report. They lost their credibility long ago.
But hey, it's all the Left have when it comes to Hillary. They have to White Wash her at all costs.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 9:12 AM
Theorist,
Did you not see what she said yesterday? She was speaking abt the water issue in Flint.
And I quote "We would be outraged if this were happening to white kids and we should be outraged that this is happening to black kids."
This was on CBS evening news last nite and if you doubt me look for yourself!!
My youngest (who is 26) was stunned and said " I can't believe she just said that!"
I felt the same way.
It makes it sound like it was intentional and it wasn't. Also there are more than just "black" children involved so what, they don't count?
I don't see this etiquette and "lady" that you so love. I see someone who is stirring up racial unrest.
Makes one wonder abt your judgement.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM
You are reporting a viral email that if false, and you lose even more credibility. (which does nothing for your cause) -- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 9:36 AM
I have no cause except to point out what a corrupt, lying and dangerous person Hillary Clinton is. Your cause is to defend her. That's OK, but at least get it right.
Those comments were not from a "viral email". They are, in fact, from Zeifman's book. How would you know they were from an email? Did you get one from someone? Did Snopes or "gohillary.com" tell you that?
DEMOCRAT Jerry Zeifman was THE counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Clinton on the Watergate investigation. I'll take his word over your Snopes site. Read his book.
===
I'm curious why you had no comment on Hillary's other lies. You're looking sheepish today.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 10:20 AM
You are reporting a viral email that if false, and you lose even more credibility. (which does nothing for your cause)
-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 9:36 AM
Theorist,
There may be some facets of that story that are incorrect but it is not totally false and I think you know it.
Hillary Clinton is not fit to be President for a multitude of reasons over the years she has been around and I think you deep down know that as well.
But.... she is a Democrat and you will try to cover for her and my best guess is that you will go to the polls and cast your vote for her, if she is not disqualified for her misdeeds before next November
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 10:30 AM
1. Chelsea Clinton was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Probably not, who knows for sure and why is it important.
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2. Hillary claimed she landed under sniper fire in Bosnia.
Probably not, who knows for sure and why is it important. It’s another political “story” like “carpet bombing” or what I’ll do on “day one” or “thousands of Muslims” dancing in New Jersey on 9/11, or the regular and frequent “debate lies.”
Those don’t seem to bother you.
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3. Hillary claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary.
How do you know she wasn’t? Edmund Hillary was born in 1919 and was a renowned mountaineer in the 1930’s. Maybe you should ask her mother.
“For her part, Mrs. Clinton confessed that her mother, Dorothy Rodham, had read an article about the intrepid Edmund Hillary, a one-time beekeeper who had taken to mountain climbing, when she was pregnant with her daughter in 1947 and liked the name.”
4. Her family was dead broke when they left the White House.
Compared to Trump, they were.
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5. Benghazi was about a video - lied bold-faced to the victims families.
It’s usually a waste of time explaining facts to you, but I have a few extra minutes today.
It is a fact that the video was the cause of a demonstration at the US Embassy in Egypt hours earlier.
It is a fact that the CIA did not know exactly who or what was responsible for the terrorist attack. They were the agency that directed the video be “blamed” until facts were established. The day after the attack it was identified as an act of terror.
September 12 -- President Obama “The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened," Obama said. "That this was an act of terror and I also said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime."
September 16 -- Susan Rice stated that basically that the tragedy was under investigation...
MS. RICE: "Well, Jake, first of all, it’s important to know that there’s an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired.
But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.
We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there."
September 21 -- Hillary Clinton
"What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans."
Perhaps you can defend the lies of republican/conservative politicians that are running for President.
Thought not. All politicians lie.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 11:06 AM
The fact that you claim that Trumps statement that he'll build a fence on the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it as a "lie" speaks volumes of your spin. It isn't a lie until he fails to do it.
Then you go on making excuses about your candidate Hillary when she has made bold-faced lies. Here is a perfect example of you supporting those lies.
"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton blamed an internet video for the Benghazi attacks in her conversations with family members of those killed despite having told a foreign leader two days earlier that the video played no role and having emailed daughter Chelsea that a terrorist group had carried out the attack."
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You, like Hillary have such disdain for military and Americans killed in action serving their country. And yet you defend her. Again, speaks volumes.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM
"...have such disdain for military and Americans killed in action serving their country."
Make up all the stuff you want, as long as you avoid claiming disdain for the military on my part.
Having served my country in the military for about 25 years I know exactly what that means, and your statement (or lie) is 100% wrong.
I have no idea what you know about military service, but I have the impression that you have no right to denigrate others.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:09 PM
but I have the impression that you have no right to denigrate others. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:09 PM
I have as much a right as you do - since you have a habit of constant denigration.
If you think it ok or honorable to lie to those killed in Benghazi then wear that badge proudly. You are for certain defending such behavior so proudly own it. She's your candidate, not mine.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 1:19 PM
“…you think it ok or honorable to lie to those killed in Benghazi…”
No one “thinks” that. Why would you imply that anyone “think it ok…”
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“You, like Hillary have such disdain for military and Americans killed in action serving their country.”
That statement is the complete and total lie I was referring to, specifically with regard to my opinion. I care nothing about your attitude toward Hillary (and I would guess that she doesn’t care either.)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 3:11 PM
No one “thinks” that. Why would you imply that anyone “think it ok…” -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 3:11 PM
Then why did you defend Hillary Clinton's bold faced lie to the families after she told her daughter and a foreign leader 2 days before she met with them that it had nothing to do with a video?
Did you read what you posted? A diatribe about Egypt - 100% unrelated - and a bunch of other spin statements that are unrelated as well. You went to great lengths to publish that rubbish to defend your Hillary.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 3:19 PM
Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 3:08 PM
Yes I am aware of the effects of lead poisoning and the fact of the racial make up of that town.
People are outraged!
I am appalled that she would try to make a race issue out of this just to try to get votes!
There was NO REASON for that to come out of her mouth! She is using the plight of those children for votes.
How disgusting and low can a person be? I think she is so low she would have to tiptoe to see over the curb!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 5:14 PM
disdain is kind of a stretch , isn't it ? -- Posted by 'Rick on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 6:35 PM
It might be for Common who professes his service but IMO it's not too strong for Hillary or Obama. No doubt in my mind they have disdain for the military in general.
Look around. There are a lot of "stretches".
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 6:38 PM
Before we turn the Flint Michigan water situation into a racial issue, I would like to point out that according to 2010 Census information I saw, Flint Michigan has a 56.6% black population, a majority yes, an overwhelming majority.... no.
We have regulations in this country that all are supposed to abide by when it comes to water purity. I get a report from St. Charles, MO water dept every year and I get one from Gulf Shores, Alabama. Surely I am not the only one in America that get these? Does anybody read them?
A friend from Michigan told me a couple of days ago when we were discussing this that Flint was purchasing water from Detroit, but thought they could do it for less money themselves. If anything instead of being a political issue it sounds as if it is gross incompetence on the part of those in management. Hmmmm! wonder what the political makeup of Flints governing body is.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 8:19 PM
Ted Cruz made a statement that was supposedly aimed at Trump. IMO this should be aimed at Hillary.
Judge candidates based on what they’ve actually done, not what they promise.
Hillary has done so much wrong that you would think ppl would wake up and smell the coffee.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 21, 2016, at 9:29 AM
Posted by 'Rick on Thu, Jan 21, 2016, at 8:05 AM
Yup! Just when you think it can't get any worse... it does!
Can't stand her either.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Jan 21, 2016, at 9:32 AM
"Before we turn the Flint Michigan water situation into a racial issue"
It's a local mess up. I'm sure there were well informed people that told them it would blow up but politicians don't listen very well. I would like to see a list of contractors and engineers that got a cut. Follow the money.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Jan 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM
She has totally lost her mind! She has outdone herself this time.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 2:29 PM
I can't even think of where she could have even come up with this at.
It seems like she is trying to start racial issues instead of getting votes.
She never ceases to amaze me.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 3:27 PM
Sounds like you folks think she was pandering to the black voting bloc..... well so do I but read yesterdays reply's to Ms Ross.
Here is an excerpt from one of them.......
"On a national level neither party bothers to serious pander to blacks. They are too small of a voting bloc to really swing elections;"
Maybe nobody told Hillary there was no need to pander.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 3:30 PM
Test.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 5:02 PM
It is some more of that "etiquette" someone mistakenly thinks she has.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 5:40 PM
Hillary mentions supreme court nomination?
"President Obama “regrets” filibustering the nomination of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito in 2006, his top spokesman said Wednesday, though he maintains that the Republican opposition to his effort to replace Justice Antonin Scalia is unprecedented."
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 6:49 PM
Old John,
Obama now regrets doing what he is going to condemn the Republicans for doing, if they have the guts to do. If they do not stop him from putting some over zealous leftist onto the bench we should fire every one of them.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 9:28 PM
Seems to me it could shape into something similar to Kennedy and Nixon. People that listen voted republican, people that watched voted democrat.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 10:22 PM
Obama is fixing to be an entitlement receiver in chief for the rest of his life.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 18, 2016, at 8:28 AM
If he nominates someone that is black and the Republican's try to block it Hillary will be screaming they are bigots and racists.
Thanks to her BS the race card is now in play and it should not be.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Feb 18, 2016, at 8:47 AM
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Feb 18, 2016, at 8:47 AM
Iamhere: Hillary has played the gender and race cards in trying to win the nomination....wonder if she has a "get out of jail" card.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Feb 19, 2016, at 9:12 AM
Semo471
Her "get out of jail card" wasn't free but I suggest it was probably paid for by that Clinton Trust.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 19, 2016, at 9:20 AM
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 19, 2016, at 9:20 AM
Wheels: Very true....an audit of the Clinton Foundation will probably show a marked decrease in funds that did not go to the worlds charities but to help run Hillary's campaign.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 8:32 AM
Where is the sage of Bollinger County? Defending Hillary and Bernie? How can we understand what these two are saying if Common isn't around to interpret their words for everyone?
I suspect hiding maybe.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 9:42 AM
Careful there Dug. You might find yourself on his list of "special" people where he placed me. Some of us have come and gone on that list. I have stuck... I am honored.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 11:00 AM
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 11:00 AM
He can go on an on about his place in Bollinger County society but I was raised in the poorest county in Missouri and never knew I was poor because no one ever told me I was. We had all we *needed* and wanted for nothing. Wealth envy in my house would have gotten you a scolding.
Democrats run around telling everyone they're poor and it's someone else's fault. They HAVE to keep certain segments of the population on their democrat plantation. It so easy to accept a victim mind set - easy to blame others for your place in life. You can either accept their crap or reject and make your own way. Common simply pimps that "victim" message over and over.
I have no idea where I'm at on Common's list! Maybe at the top of the "I really hate this guy..." list. :-)
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 11:11 AM
-- Posted by Dug on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 11:11 AM
Dug,
I am sure we could swap stories and for the most part, all would change would be the names and the spot on the map.
Was your house built out of pecky Cypress? Did you know that has become fashionable today for decorating. :-)
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 11:59 AM
Had to repost this for Common's benefit.
Heard a great joke from my son - who heard it yesterday.
Poor Bernie Sanders - worked really hard, spent a lot of money and won New Hampshire fair and square. But then when the results were in, the delegate votes were "redistributed" to make it even. Bernie got 15 and Hillary got 15. Now Bernie's crying "foul".
Bernie supports redistribution of wealth. But not redistribution of his delegates?
This is what a socialist/marxist looks like.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 12:22 PM
Was your house built out of pecky Cypress? Did you know that has become fashionable today for decorating. :-) -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 11:59 AM
Don't know what it had underneath the steel siding. It was a nice house - 2 bedrooms for the 6 of us and a bit crowded. But it was absolutely perfect.
We lived in "town" (if you can call it that). Had a blast growing up and going to school. Today we would have been poster children for "the poor". We weren't back then because everyone was like that. Not today though!
More, more, more is all people think about. "wants" have become "needs".
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 12:24 PM
"wants"..... I always wanted a bicycle.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 12:45 PM
When I wanted..... where were these vote buying Democrats. Oh yes, I forgot, they were more conservative than today's weak kneed Republicans.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 12:49 PM
"...list! Maybe at the top of ..."
As far as I'm concerned, you can be on whatever list you want to be on. It really make no difference to me.
The only one I see you being on is the list of SO conservatives who have a tenuous grasp on reality.
For example...
"They HAVE to keep certain segments of the population on their democrat plantation."
That statement is totally absurd, meaningless and false. I want everyone to be gainfully employed at good, well paying jobs. Why would anyone want anything different?
Goes back to that conservative dearth of logic. No American wants to be "dependent" on government, and the conservatives are the only ones that believe that.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 3:17 PM
Liberal logic is a shortage of stars in the daytime. If no American wants to be dependent, why do liberals proclaim they are the party to offer more dependence and others want to take away grandma's Social Security?
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 5:49 PM
Now that is scary! Rick you could have talked all day and not said that.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 7:34 PM
Winners declared by media before even half the votes counted. Bush out and the rest vow to stay.
I would have thought Cruz to do better. But no matter how I slice and dice it, anyone will be better than the socialist or the felon.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 8:35 PM
I want everyone to be gainfully employed at good, well paying jobs. Why would anyone want anything different? -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 3:17 PM
You and your socialist friends don't want people to be gainfully employed. When they are, they pay taxes. When they pay taxes they want them cut so they can better afford to live and raise a family. Cutting taxes cuts the democrats throats.
Like Obamacare's 22 new taxes and Obama's record TRILLIONS in taxes every year. But he doubles the debt.
Keep living in that fantasy land between your ears. It's a small, empty space.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sat, Feb 20, 2016, at 11:17 PM
"You and your socialist friends don't want people to be gainfully employed."
That's absurd on several levels. My friends are not socialist, and neither am I. The claim that people don't want to be employed because then they would have to pay taxes is crazy.
Taxation is in the Constitution. If you don't want to pay taxes, move to Somalia, I've heard they don't have any.
Here, taxes are a fact. Sometimes, in the past 103 years they went up, sometimes taxes went down. Right now the entire tax code needs to be revised and reformed. If this results in lower rates and more revenue, all the better.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 8:23 AM
The claim that people don't want to be employed because then they would have to pay taxes is crazy.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 8:23 AM
Your comprehension gets worse. I never said that. Another straw man to make a point?
The *true* claim I made is spot on and evidence of it is all around. Lower to middle class people that work hard don't want to pay as much in taxes as your socialist friends and leaders want them to. They want their taxes lowered especially when they see your voter base sitting on the couch living the good life, protesting on campuses over false pretenses, demanding free cell phones, free birth control, free food, free housing, free, free, free - and GETTING all of that.
The only people that are attracted to your message of more free stuff are the lazy and the entitled rich. Look at your party. Bernie promises more free stuff and Hillary parrots his talking points immediately - to win votes!
Liberalism/socialism is a disease.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 8:53 AM
Liberalism/socialism is a disease.-- Posted by Dug on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 8:53 AM
Dug: Wonder if this disease is covered under Pinkycare?
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 9:52 AM
Dug: Wonder if this disease is covered under Pinkycare?
-- Posted by semo471 on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 9:52 AM
From US News:
The ACA law makes mental and behavioral health treatment one of 10 essential benefits required in new insurance policies sold on the federal health exchange as well as to patients on Medicaid. That provides a promising path toward comprehensive coverage of mental illness, equal to that of medical and surgical needs.
But coverage of care for disorders including schizophrenia, liberalism/socialism, depression, bipolar disorder, childhood behavioral disorders and addiction to taxation / wealth envy are far from assured for all Americans.
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If they covered liberalism/socialism they wouldn't get any votes! :-)
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 10:13 AM
Back to making stuff up again. No surprise.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 10:43 AM
Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 10:43 AM
What is wrong with you that you can't comprehend someone being a little sarcastic and funny to break up the conversation when others are getting a bit frustrated?
It gives everyone a chance to take a breath and calm down b4 it gets heated. You seem to have no sense of humor and would rather be all serious no matter what.
You need to loosen up. It is bad for your health to be so uptight all of the time.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 11:29 AM
You need to loosen up. It is bad for your health to be so uptight all of the time. -- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 11:29 AM
He has no sense of humor. It's been a tough 8 years constantly defending this train wreck of a party and president. He's very crabby lately.
Maybe Hillary or Bernie will make him feel better. Can we say "It's Barack's fault" for the next 8 years? Payback is a beeotch.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 7:49 PM
“You need to loosen up. It is bad for your health…”
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 11:29 AM
Rest assured that there is absolutely no need for concern over my sense of humor or my health. Both are perfectly fine and serve me well. No frustration, no anger, and no need to “calm down.”
It’s the humorless, dour SO conservative crew you should be concerned about. You may not recall their sullen anger when they were sarcastically referred to as the Blame Only Obama Boys. It may have been that “element of truth” the disturbed the BOOB’s to such a degree.
It is a fact that they blame President Obama for everything except the growth in the economy, the increase in jobs and lower unemployment, the low price of gas, etc. etc. I am not concerned that I seem to be the sole participant that speaks the truth to them (one of those tough jobs that someone has to do.)
Another fascinating aspect of the SO conservatives is that no matter how often I identify my criticisms of the President, those accounts either just go over their collective heads, or they’re good a ducking. A related issue concerns my pointing out that I am strongly in favor of smaller government (both funding and personnel), deficit reduction, stabilizing Social Security/Medicare (not doing away with their merits) and reforming the tax code.
It would appear that the SO conservative collective believes that a liberal is not allowed to take those positions or disapprove of some of the President’s actions or policies. So in spite of what they think, I can assure you that I am not “uptight” any of the time.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 7:28 AM
I can assure you that I am not “uptight” any of the time.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 7:28 AM
Common: Your usage of Preparation H must be working.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 8:37 AM
"How can one go up but the other not change?"
Food stamp recipients have dropped by 2.2 million since 2013.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 9:26 AM
"BOOB’s"?
Common likes his acronyms doesn't he?
But here I have to agree with him. I like this one also. I'll stand with them anyday! ☺
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 10:10 AM
Iran is selling oil and growing it's coffers to finance terrorism. The Russians have joined the Saudis and Venezuela to lower oil output since current price has broken investment in fracking.
Some things can be the result of a weak president.
Meanwhile, common pretends to be the good ole sensible moderate in his rhetoric and will continue to defend more left wing policies while claiming he doesn't.
There is that humorous enough for an Obama worshiper to appreciate?
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 10:46 AM
Rick, Obama made the deal that lifted trade sanctions.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 10:56 AM
"...continue to defend more left wing policies while claiming he doesn't."
Which policies, specifically, are those?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 11:26 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 11:26 AM
More taxes.
More welfare spending.
Illegal immigration is Ok.
Against photo voter ID's.
Debt ain't no big thing.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 11:37 AM
Common, Do you not support a single payer system claiming the government can better use everyone's money to pay someone's medical bills and save everyone's money doing so?
I'll check back later for the answer as I have go spend some of my own money now.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 11:58 AM
Those would all be "left wing" policies that I posted. Whether it's a left wing democrat (nearly all) or a left-wing republican (some).
Technically it only takes 51% of one wing to fly in US law. Like Obamacare - in the US senate every single democrat voted for it and every single republican voted against it. In the US house every single republican voted against it and all but a few democrats voted for it.
Only "one wing" made that mess.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 12:04 PM
"Do you not support a single payer system..."
Certainly as it's the smartest approach. Medicare works extremely well, and it's admin costs are about 10% of private insurance.
Right now a private insurance company takes your money and pays the doctor. In this case the government does do it at less cost.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 1:47 PM
Figures lie and liars figure when it comes to government bureaucracies that always have need to expand.
Premium collection for Medicare is collected by the IRS and Social Security Administration thus not used in the calculation of lower administration costs. Insurance companies pay excise tax on premiums collected, again not included in those calculations.
Then consider the lower administration cost claimed is based on higher payout expenditures per patient. Also consider the waste and bloat in Medical expense that is a product of third party payers.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 3:59 PM
In this case the government does do it at less cost.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 1:47 PM
Common: Do you honestly believe this....a good example of low info voter that elected Pres. Pinky twice - pass that free stuff around.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 4:27 PM
- Posted by Dug on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 11:37 AM
"More taxes." The tax code needs complete overhaul to remove loopholes, treat all income equally, adjust rates. Once the deficit is under control (i.e. interest paid off) and the budget balanced, then taxes can be reduced (if at can be done without going back into debt.)
"More welfare spending." Only as necessary, but SNAP has been reduced by $2.2 million in the last two years.
"Illegal immigration is Ok." No one says it's OK, but right now it's a fact of life. Those having committed crimes other than being here should be deported. Those that are working should get permits and no further hiring can be done without the right card.
"Against photo voter ID's." Photo ID's are unnecessary except to reduce the number of legal voters. From now on, all voter registration cards could be issued with a photo. Until then standard signature ID is all that's needed.
"Debt ain't no big thing." Of course it is. That's why the approach should include both revenue increases (specifically dedicated to deficit reduction) and cuts in expenditures.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 7:25 PM
"The PPACA would not be necessary if Medicare worked so great."
Medicare applied to those over 65, about 18%. Basic employer provided insurance applies to about 50% of Americans. Medicaid covers approximately another 17%.
That leaves about 20% to use the ACA. It's needed for them only, not for the rest.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 7:34 PM
That leaves about 20% to use the ACA. It's needed for them only, not for the rest.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 7:34 PM
Common,
They were being taken care of in the emergency rooms of American at a much lower cost to America than covering them under Obamacare has become. The insurance company have lost a lot of money and they are getting it back, not from the 20% but the rest of us.
We were better off without Obamacare. Those who sought care in an emergency room were already being taken care of.
It is a poorly thought out disaster owned 100% by the Democratic Party.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 8:02 PM
Too many people depending on some one else to pay the bills leads to higher cost. After all these years of people not being concerned with what it costs because they are only paying a deductible, there is no incentive for competition in comparable services.
Suppose you figure you need knee repair and the doc agrees and orders an MRI. Do you care how much an MRI costs? Yet if you try to get a price for an MRI you may get dumb looks for asking. The price will vary from a few hundred to a few thousand $ for the same service.
The only thing good overall that may come from the Obamacare mess is that some more informed people with crazy deductible- percentage plans might recognize that shopping for the MRI could save them out of pocket expense if the reimbursement for the total expense of the procedure is capped.
I had a recent experience. We had insurance that covered our yearly eye exams but didn't cover the glasses. When the doc's provider had to remake them a couple of times I started taking the prescription elsewhere and found it cost less for better product. That was years back. Then we got vision insurance several years later and used the doc's provider and paid $40 deductible for the glasses. As of this year, the vision insurance went up and the doc is not in the network. We like our doc and he is still takes our medical insurance for exams and cataract watch etc but he no longer can bill the vision [glasses] insurance. A $300 pair of glasses now cost $595 and the insurance leaves me paying $420. I suspect most people who have coverage that pays it never question it.
I paid for the overpriced glasses but was a bit miffed that the doc's staff wouldn't attempt to negotiate a discount for a poor boy.
Although I do not wish to cut my doc out of any profits, next time I will shop elsewhere.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 22, 2016, at 8:20 PM
"More welfare spending." Only as necessary, but SNAP has been reduced by $2.2 million in the last two years."
Out of $74 Billion.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 10:38 AM
Who decides what is necessary?
-- Posted by 'Rick on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 10:41 AM
Those with the government jobs who have little interest in working themselves out of a cushy job perhaps?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 10:53 AM
-- Posted by Iamhere on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM
Iam, Are they setting it up to be a case about public records at the fault of her underlings and not about mishandling classified info?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 3:24 PM
OJ
Not sure. But if they aren't going to do anything to her then why keep on dragging out?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 3:27 PM
OJ & Iamhere: IMO, this latest probe by a black judge appointed by Bill Clinton should show to the PC Liberal Democrats that this mishandling of classified info on a private server is a very serious matter....come on Uncle Joe get that white horse ready.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 5:03 PM
I watched several of those robot videos, amazing stuff, thanks Rick for posting.
I heard Hillary come through the truck radio speakers declaring that they are doing everything they can to keep minorities, poor, disabled, old, black. Hispanic people from voting. Not sure who 'they' are but couldn't keep from imaging that speech with the black panther dude with a club in the background.
Seems like republicans will be throwing grannie over the cliff a little earlier in this election.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 7:00 PM
Posted by 'Rick on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 5:50 AM
And technology doubles every 4 years....... Wow!
But I have to say Trump is a builder. A year ago he said he would tax the so and so out of companies that pull out of the country so bad it would be economically unfeasible for them to do so.
About a month ago everyone else started saying the same thing. Wonder why?
I am for the unions and right to work and I think the unions should be looking toward Trump. Obama didn't help them a bit and as a matter of fact hurt them.
Go ahead and vote for a politician and get what someone else paid for.
If you don't want to work go to Bernie and live a meager existence.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 10:43 PM
Rick, As a youngster I heard the story of a fellow selling smartening pills. After buying them for sometime, a customer cried foul and declared they were nothing more than rabbit terds. The fellow said, Well, your smarter now than you were!
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 7:41 AM
I believe it would be a service to the country if Hillary Clinton were to be given immunity from possible future prosecution in the matters at hand if she would just abandon her run for the presidency.
She is dirty and unfit to be President of this country. That would be my opinion.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 12:45 PM
Wheels I just don't think anyone will actually prosecute her for anything.
I don't understand how people still support her Presidential run. It is just crazy.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 1:14 PM
If that bitter woman ever reaches the highest office in the land we are doomed. Stealing the White House silver will be a very minor transgression of the law compared to her term in office.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 1:20 PM
Rick. Ran to town for an errand today and tuned the car radio on. Some fool called Hannity and asked about and defended the Bernie statement. He was asked just how much tax rich people should pay and he replied; something like we all know people making over $250,000 don't pay taxes. :)
Those are the people that support Clinton and Sanders.
On the other end of the spectrum are the educated fools that defend "Forward-Progressive' with double talk and spin.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 7:33 PM
Those are the people that support Clinton and Sanders.
On the other end of the spectrum are the educated fools that defend "Forward-Progressive' with double talk and spin. -- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 7:33 PM
OJ: They might be educated but have no common sense.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Feb 26, 2016, at 5:40 PM
I'm hoping Lindsey Graham doesn't endorse anyone I like.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Feb 27, 2016, at 11:39 PM
"...big Don won't say..."
...because he's still in favor of a single payer plan. The SO conservatives may want to take a closer look at the candidate they're worshipping.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 8:27 AM
Posted by 'Rick on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 8:55 AM
Everyone seems to be letting Hitlary slide. What a mess we look like to the outside world.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 9:02 AM
"The SO conservatives may want to take a closer look at the candidate they're worshipping." Common, Did you come up with that all by yourself?
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 9:17 AM
So don't. Worship Trump to your hearts content.
Unfortunately, none of the other republicans have realistic platforms. Trump is just more open with his lies about ridiculous ideas and schemes. His latest is his plan to restrict the 1st Amendment to make it easier for him to sue opponents or anyone that criticizes him.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 10:16 AM
lies about ridiculous ideas and schemes. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 10:16 AM
Shovel ready job, you can keep your current insurance - period, I didn't draw red line, I didn't withdraw American troops, I will cut the debt in half, not a dime of Obamacare will go to abortions, my mother was denied health insurance, lobbyists won't find a job in my administration, health care negotiations will be televised live on C-SPAN, a bill will sit 72 hours for all to review before I sign it".
Maybe Trump is your man Common. He's made a bunch of promises you claim are lies. But everyone knows you wouldn't know a lie if it bit you on the backside.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM
Common is just disappointed. He had all these nasty things to say about Cruz all ready to go and may not get to use them.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 2:40 PM
transition from apparent Obama hatred to apparent Hillary hatred. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jan 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM
Another Obama record - one of many failures:
"Record 10th straight year without 3% GDP Growth".
Most knew he was an empty suit and inept. Unfortunately you voted for him Common. Twice.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 6:23 PM
OJ
Common just wants a free ride. He should like trump if he thinks he is for single payer. But there is that work thing that stands in the way.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 6:24 PM
Rick,
I think the voters of this country have been feeding on loco weed for the past 8 years at least, maybe longer.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 8:37 PM
"Record 10th straight year without 3% GDP Growth".
Must have missed the claim that this is the 50th straight year without 50% GDP growth.
Makes as much sense as Duggie’s delusionary misconceptions on GDP growth. If you want the real causes, check the non-perishable aisles of Walmart for American made products.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:52 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:52 AM
Delusionary would be listening to all Obama's lies an pimping them repeatedly and defensively on speak out.
You were that hat proudly.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 8:20 AM
If you want the real causes, check the over taxing of profits earned in the U.S. and regulations on labor.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 9:48 AM
Think again. If American manufacturers could get $1 per hour labor and save transportation costs of raw materials to China and finished products back from China, they would be happy to pay taxes and comply with labor regulations.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM
Yes Common, of course it is only the American Manufacturers who are at fault.
It couldn't be this incompetent administration could it?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 12:56 PM
Labor rates on Mainland China continue to rise.
If you start with two piles of sand, one small and one large, and keep shoveling the sand back and forth between the piles, they will eventually end up the same size and overlap one another.
The tax and regulation effect is driving the American companies overseas to avoid taxes.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 1:25 PM
Must have missed the claim that this is the 50th straight year without 50% GDP growth. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:52 AM
Were dealing with a guy who is unable to comprehend problems or understand solutions. You talk about the US having one of the highest corporate taxes in the world and he's clueless.
You're WAY over Common's head. It's like trying to explain physics to a 6 year old. It simply isn't possible.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 2:40 PM
"...it is only the American Manufacturers who are at fault."
Call it "fault" if you prefer. In truth they are operating globally and taking advantage of low wages overseas.
Is that "fault" or good business?
We could have zero tax and no regulations and business would still go to $1 per hour labor over $15 to $20 per hour.
Should the government prevent them from shipping jobs overseas? That appears to be what your buddy Trump wants to do.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 2:46 PM
-- Posted by 'Rick on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 2:05 PM
Couple of things here Common....
Your argument about no taxes and no regulations is a moot point. It did not happen for years in the past. So ask yourself, what is different today than it was 30 years or more ago.
I would tell you it is big government and unreasonable controls. Everybody understands there must be some reasonable amount of control, but it is totally out of control in this country at this point.
And Trump is not my "buddy". I will only vote for him if it is him against the two current idiots on the Democratic side as nominees. The Democrats do not have a viable candidate and still may elect one of them President. God help us then.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 3:56 PM
How did Anheuser-Busch get bought out? 1000's of jobs lost, headquarters moved from St. Louis, a company now in a bit of trouble.
Taxes. Pure and simple. Where is the headquarters for A-B now? Belgium.
Taxes.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 4:04 PM
Common, The solution is to vote for your buddy Bernie that promises to raise the minimum wage to $15. That will bring jobs back, eh?
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM
Common: What do you think is the reason that a lot of large corporations are moving their headquarters overseas....could it be for less taxes. Why are they moving their manufacturing plants overseas....could it be for less costs in EPA compliance and cheaper labor. Why are the non-perishable aisles of Wal-Mart void of any American made products....could it be that most everything is made overseas and only perishable items are made here in the USA. If the Chinese could figure how to make hamburgers and keep them warm while in transit to the USA, we wouldn't even have hamburger flipping jobs. This is what a failed President and his administration have done to the USA....very sad. Can you now realize why the mistrust and anger that most of Americans have for the Washington D.C. crowd.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 6:23 PM
"Taxes. Pure and simple."
The rest of the world disagrees, including A-B...
"Several American beer giants have already been taken over by larger overseas rivals in the last decade. The Miller Brewing Company was sold to South African Breweries in 1999, and the Adolph Coors Company was bought by Molson of Canada in 2005. (Last year, Molson Coors agreed to merge its United States operations with those of SABMiller.)
"Anheuser’s concession caps a wave of consolidation within the beer industry. InBev and SABMiller, themselves the products of mergers this decade, have led efforts to gain distribution channels across the globe. The rising cost of beer ingredients like grain has also driven companies to seek greater scale and purchasing power."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 6:27 PM
semo, They have already figured out how to process chicken, fish and tuna and ship it back.
Also, I have read that some drive through windows at fast food places can have you talking to someone out of the country.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 6:48 PM
Rick. Americans are quick to suck up to cheap. Hard to blame anyone for wanting a better price.
An example is the shoe industry, I still have Cape made shoes and my brother recently said he is still wearing a pair made 40 years ago. Now there are lots of small American companies making good shoes for folks that want quality and are willing to pay for it. The rest have bought into the 'want it now, throw it away tomorrow' thing.
I still shop at the thrift stores in search of an American made two pocket shirt built to last. :)
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 6:57 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 6:48 PM
OJ: I have already talked to some folks at the drive through window that were from the planet of Zicon.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 6:58 PM
Should the government prevent them from shipping jobs overseas? That appears to be what your buddy Trump wants to do.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 2:46 PM
Its a start.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:28 PM
There is an article depicting predictions of lower farm commodity prices in our local paper and a comment to do with Missouri Republicans appears right off.
Go figure.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:32 PM
""the Health Insurance Commerce comes to mind"
So far this has sucked big time ,one of the best Ponzi schemes ever pulled off . The kicker ? It's a mandated Federal Law now , a Ponzi scheme funded by the American tax payers."
Yes Rick, and now your insurance company sends you yet one more form to be filed with your taxes. It is a 1095-B Form for Health Insurance. And of course your accountant is not going to stop the clock when he fills out this form for the Articles of Complication.
My daughter told me today that she attended a Seminar for Tax Accountants to get information on the new health care requirements. She said someone asked a question about the 1095-B and there then ensued a 3 hour back and forth over this form. She was unhappy that it took up this much of the 2 day seminar she paid to attend.
All of this talk of simplifying our income tax laws and filing and they make it yet more complicated. It is time we take government to the woodshed and let them know who is the Employer and who is the Employee.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:32 PM
Wheels, If Theorist was here she would straighten you out! :) :)
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:53 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:53 PM
Old John,
This is now the adult playground. We don't have to listen to her over here.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 7:55 PM
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 8:42 PM
"Americans are so fed up with this President and the current "government" that will support and idolize a joke."
That's wrong on several levels.
You may be "fed up" for whatever fabricated reasons, but the President's approval still stands at about 50%.
Americans may be "fed up" with a do nothing Congress, which is understandable.
Only a small percentage of Americans "will support and idolize [the] joke..." that is Trump. It seems to be a minority of republicans/conservatives that support him for whatever reason.
Strangely the SO conservatives have not openly jumped on his band wagon, even though his rhetoric seems tailored for them
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 11:15 AM
Common,
I believe your cheese has slid off your cracker!!
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 11:36 AM
There's that special word. "fabricated".
common, How come anytime you reply to a post that is not adoring Obama, you have to imply that the poster is a liar?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 11:42 AM
"...you have to imply that the poster is a liar?"
How so? What was said about "lying?" This statement was made...
"Americans are so fed up with this President and the current "government" that will support and idolize a joke."
My contribution was simply to point out that not all Americans are "fed up" with President Obama, and not all Americans support Trump.
It's abundantly clear that some Americans don't like the President, and some Americans like Trump. That's their right. If those groups are comprised of the same people, that's also their right and choice.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 12:41 PM
"It is no surprise you are quick to defend..."
Why would I be slow to defend when you are quick to disparage?
Particularly as it appears that this time your robotic, Pavlovian reaction to criticize implies that Trump's apparent success is the President's "fault."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 1:51 PM
"Government is not the end all answer."
There is no question that this is correct. It's also why I have supported a range in reductions in the size and cost of government. Simple things like stabilizing social security and Medicare to self sustainability, decreases in federal manpower and funding by zero-based budgeting, revisions to tax code to reduce the deficit, and so on.
With all of your whining and complaining, I have yet to read anything constructive from you. So bluster to your hearts content, and I can continue to feel sorry for you.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 4:25 PM
So if you support all those great logical changes, how come you are always running down the candidates that propose such?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 4:43 PM
The rest of the world disagrees, including A-B... -- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 6:27 PM
As usual, you couldn't be more wrong. I was there and was involved. First, "A-B" didn't disagree with me. You posted a comment from the NY Times - not A-B. If you don't know the difference between the two there's no reason to continue.
Second, the Belgian tax rate for A-B was MUCH lower than the U.S. In-Bev calculated the tax savings into their investment and payout. Something A-B couldn't do. It made A-B cheaper for them.
Its a lot more complicated as well but if you can't discern between a NY Times reporter and A-B then you're hopeless.
You're wrong. Tax rates were a HUGE benefit and incentive for In-Bev. And it costs St. Louis and the U.S. a lot of money and jobs. Parrot your liberal ideology somewhere else - it ain't selling here.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 6:21 PM
"...running down the candidates that propose such?"
Who do you have in mind?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:04 PM
"Nor do I need your permission."
Not a matter of "permission," just an observation.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:08 PM
"There are millions who won't be able to cope with life..."
That's absurd. Why should that be a problem for anyone. If nothing else, who are you going to whine and complain about next year.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:10 PM
"You sure do seem to be whining and complaining a lot about me..."
I'm neither whining nor complaining. Just a case of pointing out how queer it is for anyone to blame President Obama for Trumps bizarre and outlandish pop idol status translating to conservative votes.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:19 PM
"I have not repeated on a daily basis the only way to fix America is to spend."
Neither have I.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:21 PM
"Tax rates were a HUGE benefit and incentive for In-Bev."
Why are US tax rate a question to a Belgian company. Taxes had nothing to do with it.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:26 PM
"Just a case of pointing out how queer it is for anyone to blame President Obama for Trumps bizarre and outlandish pop idol status......"
Not queer at all Common. People in this country are angry with politicians in general and Obama in particular. Try the onerous Obamacare or the Iran fiasco as just a couple of reasons.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:30 PM
"...are angry with politicians in general and Obama in particular."
That's simply your opinion and as always you're welcome to it, but it's a minority position only.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:52 PM
And why should being "angry" with politicians in Congress be a reason to do something as stupid as supporting Trump for anything.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:54 PM
Common, You are welcome to your opinion although it is without logic or for deliberate intention to deceive others of your lessor perception of facts. I am not angry that people of your gullibility support progressive-liberal ideas due to lack of intelligence, just dismayed that so many with better understanding allow such gibberish without responding. Reckon we never figured so many would be so dumbed down to fall for such.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 8:21 PM
During the general speeches in the house today, republicans mad a good case for returning the money confiscated from the people back to the states in a fixed amount for Medicare and getting the federal government out of the Medicare business. It's been a republican stance for over 5 years, always blocked by Obama and his democrats.
The democrats countered that we need to expand federal spending to help charities because one in seven people in America go to bed hungry.
Somehow the saying 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' comes to mind.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 8:36 PM
"...progressive-liberal ideas..."
Such as what? There seems to be a lack of specifics in your charges.
The "gullibility" and "lack of intelligence" are nice little touches. Inaccurate but something unusual, making me wonder if you're a closet Trump fan.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 8:49 PM
" Inaccurate but something unusual, making me wonder if you're a closet Trump fan."
Nothing unusual about you nor nothing to wonder about; you are against the freedom and liberty our country was founded upon. You can wonder until your hearts content.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 11:33 PM
'...you are against the freedom and liberty our country was founded upon."
That's purely an unfounded assumption on your part. There is nothing I have ever said that supports your claim.
"You can wonder until your hearts content."
Not necessary. Your unwillingness to reply provides the answer. Thanks.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 7:09 AM
"...republicans made a good case for returning the money confiscated from the people back to the states in a fixed amount for Medicare..."
What was their "good" case and how was it justified?
As a national health insurance program Medicare works more effectively and efficiently than private programs. A good portion of that is due to economies of scale in having a large customer/participation base.
The program is designed to provide the greatest benefits to the largest number of people at the lowest cost.
Splitting Medicare up into 50 "mini-Medicares" would increase its costs drastically. How do you handle the person who has paid into the program for years and then moves to another state? What if you work in one state and live in another? What prevents individual states from diverting their "fixed amount" to other purposes?
The only thing that the republican proposal would do is take about $500 billion from the federal budget, and cost the states a total of about $600 or $700 billion collectively.
The result for American taxpayers, is that we would end up paying more, for a less efficient, inferior health insurance.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 7:31 AM
Rick with this surgery coming up I worry abt the bill when it comes. Medicare can get very nitpicky abt the smallest things.
They need to pay 100%. Those of us that have to rely on it can't afford the hit in the pocket book bc of some of their denials in coverage.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 8:37 AM
"If Medicare works more efficiently as an Insurance coverage what is the need for the glutton PPACA ??"
The two programs are independent. Medicare for those over 65 and ACA is for the minority of people without employer insurance.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and presume that you are over 65, so how has the ACA affected you? My guess is that it's the same way it has affected me, it doesn't.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 9:09 AM
"The vast majority of people over 65 are on a limited budget . The PPACA increases their taxes..."
That's what's not true. If they are on a limited budget, they pay very little, if any tax.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 12:10 PM
"...it would be easier to change the age parameters..."
That's what Senator Sanders is suggesting with essentially expanding Medicare for all as in a single payer system.
And this, by the way, could eliminate the single most avoidable expense to American businesses, having to pay increasing health insurance premiums for employees.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 12:16 PM
"...free college educations to everyone at no costs..."
Actually I believe he's been saying "free tuition" which is not quite the same thing. It might be ore reasonable to reduce tuition.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 12:43 PM
"...Materials , transportation , and the heavy hand of Federal Government Rules and Regulations would be the most expensive.
Those costs are not avoidable if you are running a business.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 12:44 PM
"I will ask Elders of Speak Out, do any of you not pay taxes?"
Better find out if they are on a "limited budget" too.
Just in case you miss the tax on social security...
"Benefits are typically not taxable if half of the benefits plus all other received income is less than $25,000 for singles or $32,000 for married couples who file together."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 12:50 PM
So seniors don't pay taxes, poor people don't pay taxes but get a tax refund and of course we all know rich people don't pay their fair share. So who is left to pay for all the Sanders free stuff?
Me thinks the liberal mindset won't be happy until everyone is poor.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 1:44 PM
"I will ask Elders of Speak Out , do any of you not pay taxes ?"
Yes, I DO pay taxes every year, well into 5 figures. And I am sick of seeing my money whizzed away by incompetent government.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 2:00 PM
I know, but it happens occasionally.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM
"How in the hell can Samoa even have American delegates?"
It's American Samoa, not just plain Samoa which is over 50 miles away.
Citizens of US territories can vote in primary elections and send delegates to political conventions, but cannot vote in national elections.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 3:22 PM
"Yes, I DO pay taxes every year, well into 5 figures."
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 2:00 PM
I'd say you don't fit Rick's definition of being "on a limited budget."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 3:26 PM
Thank You Obama for the rising gas prices.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 3:49 PM
While I am still 11 years from being 65 I have a limited income. I am on Disability. I see all the time were they say the average income from Soc. Sec. is over 1,000.00 a month. I can only say I wish.
While I do not have to pay income tax I do have to pay state taxes. If you own anything you have to.
So unless you own nothing everyone pretty much has to pay some kind of taxes.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 3:55 PM
"It's American Samoa, not just plain Samoa which is over 50 miles away."
Reckon I need a geography lesson. Samoa is closer to Australia than Hawaii I think. Was the 50 mile thing about Samoans in the states or DC?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 5:36 PM
American Samoa is 50 miles from the nation of Samoa.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 7:07 PM
I suspect Hillary has a way to wrap up all those primary votes.
Do American Samoans in the U.S. military get to vote?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 7:30 PM
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 10:07 PM
Wheels
I have tried to get my affairs in order so I can keep my taxes down when I retire but if I want some stability for my wife I will be paying out the nose also.
I don't want to be like my uncle who retired as a teamster 25 years ago. He left my aunt a pension and a paid off mortgage to live on for the rest of her life after he died two years later. They didn't realize time at the time the pension wouldn't cover the bills today. We as family keep her bills paid so she doesn't have to cash out her home to live. But common wants the home.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 10:32 PM
Regret, That same scenario must be why my grandmother came to live with us. Grandpa had a railroad pension but died relatively young. I never put much thought to it but inflation was pretty rough then.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 11:25 PM
Why are US tax rate a question to a Belgian company. Taxes had nothing to do with it.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 7:26 PM
Wrong again Common. The rates in Belgium for In-Bev were way lower.
"The various corporate addresses and stock-market listings underscore the increasingly complex mechanics of determining where to base a multinational giant and serial acquirer these days. Where a company calls home often has as much to do with tax and governance laws, as with proximity to factories or customers, or where the business started off.
In the case of AB InBev, its roots in Belgium already have provided it big financial advantages because of that country's tax treatment for some multinational corporations--though those arrangements are the subject of a wide-ranging probe by the European Commission.
AB InBev reported an effective tax rate of 18.1% for 2014, LESS THAN HALF the 39.5% that Anheuser-Busch reported in 2007, before being bought by InBev."
You continue to espouse your great knowledge of all-things-Obama and how the SO conservatives are uneducated. You're a fool for your man and it's scary to think people like you think you're so smart and push your politics when, in fact, you haven't a single clue what you're talking about. I can only imagine how many misleading lies and statements you've made with your friends in Bollinger county. Imagine the propaganda you've spread.
Get educated.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 7:25 AM
All I can do is laugh at that.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 7:48 AM
Hmmmmmmmm!
Sounds like a nervous laugh from where I sit Common.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:35 AM
Not in the least. That makes it even funnier.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:47 AM
Common,
You are just proving what we all know.... you're a phoney.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 9:07 AM
Iamhere: Fingers crossed for a successful operation this week. Keep us posted.
Common: Will you still be paid for being Pres. Pinky's spoke person in Bollinger County after he leaves office?
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 9:11 AM
All I can do is laugh at that. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 7:48 AM
That we can agree on. You were schooled again and you've got nothing but laughter.
See how you espouse your leftist talking points and you're so ignorant of the facts? If BO says so, you're in. That's all it take for you.
Try reading and getting educated from independent sources. I know, that's hard for an Obama couch sitter but try it some time.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 12:18 PM
- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 9:07 AM
So a few old, outmoded, and still mendacious insults is all that you and Duggie have. No surprise that you all resort to that when you’re at a loss for normal dialogue.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 12:23 PM
I would accept the word of the two companies involved over your idle speculation.
“The board of directors of Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc. on Sunday accepted a sweetened $52 billion takeover offer from Belgian brewer InBev SA, according to a joint press release.
“The deal, which is subject to shareholders' and regulators' approval, would create the world's largest brewer and create the fourth-largest consumer product company worldwide.
"This combination will create a stronger, more competitive global company with an unrivaled worldwide brand portfolio and distribution network, with great potential for growth all over the world," Carlos Brito, CEO of InBev, said in the statement.”
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 12:28 PM
“If you want the real causes, check the over taxing of profits earned in the U.S. and regulations on labor.”
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 9:48 AM
Sorry, it’s still labor costs…
I had the misfortune of hearing the SO conservative hometown mentor on my truck radio a while ago. However, what he said was interesting.
He mentioned that Trump stated that he (Trump) would make Apple bring all their production back to the US, but continued by saying that Trump was totally wrong about that.
He said that Apple was never coming back. That they had 500,000 employees in China and huge factories. That if they moved here, their $150 iphones would cost about $2500 and Apple would go out of business.
So even mentor Limbaugh realizes that it’s labor costs not taxes or regulations that pulled US manufacturers to Asia or Mexico. And if Rush said it, it has to be true.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 12:50 PM
Nothing said about taxes… -- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 12:28 PM
Of course not - companies never do on deals like this. You weren't there, I was. Next time I see Peacock or Brito you want me to tell them you said "hi"? Wait - they wouldn't know you, because you weren't there.
The phones would cost $2,500 partially do to the highest taxes in the world. The USA - and your president has done it.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 1:15 PM
Obtuse is the best means of describing your approach to issues.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 1:27 PM
"The phones would cost $2,500 partially do to the highest taxes in the world."
Right, taxes. A 10% profit on a $2500 phone is $250, and after a 35% tax it's down to $162.50.
So if the tax rate went to zero, they would be able to sell the phone for $2412.50. Not much of a deal.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 1:35 PM
You forgot to figure in that our workers are several times more productive and the currency exchange. With a tax code that encouraged capitol investment and equipment upgrades, that too would be a factor. The standard reaction to wage differential is to call for a higher federal minimum wage. Better equipment is reacted to as another avenue to collect more taxes.
I admit I'm not skilled in explaining free market trade but I also admit common would never understand it anyway.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 2:16 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 1:35 PM
Common: I know that you know better but a corporate tax is on the pretax income and not per phone or device. Look at Apple's income statement, they are paying 26.5% income tax which amounts to $19.2 billion of taxes per latest year. That could be a large savings if their percentage was lowered. Would Apple reinvest this savings or reduce the selling prices of their devices or give out bonuses to the top management....if the government gives them a tax cut hopefully it would be tied together with a benefit to the taxpayers - jobs, jobs, jobs.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 2:53 PM
"I will not accept "Sorry, it’s still labor costs…"
Then don't...
Still, the SO conservative mentor said that Apple has 500,000 employees in China. If they get $2 per hour there, that means that Apple pays $8 million per day or about $2 billion per year. If work is done here at $25 per hour, those numbers increase $100 million per day or about $25 billion per year.
In this simple example, Apple could then realize a potential or possible savings of $23 billion per year in labor costs alone. And of course it's more complicated but labor costs remain the leading reason for American companies to relocate their production to other countries.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 7:44 PM
They are paid more than $2 per hour plus food, clothing, medical and housing. Why should assembly line workers in America expect $25 per hour for unskilled labor?
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:03 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 1:27 PM
Ignorant and uniformed would be the best I could give you on your observations. And unable to learn and adapt. It's all party - you'll *never* learn. Ever.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:14 PM
Give it up, you've totally lost it.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:35 PM
"Why should assembly line workers in America expect $25 per hour for unskilled labor?"
OK, cut it to $12.50 per hour, and Apple still gains $11.5 billion by putting American jobs into China.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:37 PM
Anybody tell Common about the cost of complying with all of the regulation in this country compared to China?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 9:08 PM
No need....
“The American Action Forum study goes beyond government estimates and tries to examine the costs of regulatory compliance that large companies reported paying last year. In reviewing those public financial filings, researchers found that 30 large companies reported spending on average about $1 billion a year in compliance costs. The hardest-hit sector was manufacturing.”
“The United States is the world's largest national economy with a GDP of approximately $16.8 trillion, due to high average incomes, a large population, capital investment, moderate unemployment, high consumer spending, a relatively young population, and technological innovation.”
So $1 billion in compliance costs is miniscule.
----- ---- --- -- -
The environmental crisis has also pushed some of China’s residents — even Communist Party faithful — to protest, posing a political challenge to a government that prioritizes social stability. During the opening of the National People’s Congress in 2014, Prime Minister Li Keqiang responded by saying that the government would “declare war against pollution.” During the first three months in 2014, the Beijing city government fined more than 7,000 companies a total of 88 million renminbi, or $14 million, for violating environmental regulations — 10 times the amount levied during the same period last year.
In the past 10 years, the Chinese government has gradually shifted from intermittent environmental campaigns to a morelegislative approach, focusing on requiring enterprises to save energy and cut emissions. However, the vague wording of regulations often leaves room for interpretation, and without a fully independent legal system, the effectiveness of reforms depends on local enforcement. Some local officials ignore the environmental regulations in their pursuit of economic growth, while others arbitrarily target enterprises for violations of environmental regulations.
Guess it's not zero...
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 9:33 PM
Yeah Common $1 Billion is Miniscule.
You speak like you actually knew what you were talking about. You don't fool us though.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 10:01 PM
Compared to a $16.8 trillion GDP it is.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 10:35 PM
Give it up, you've totally lost it. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:35 PM
Says the self-acclaimed know-it-all sage of Bollinger county. What would you know of the A-B InBev merger? You're a good laugh every day. Keep the hits coming!!!
It's always refreshing to see the failed logic of an Obama worshipper. One who apparently couldn't pass a Business 101 course. I would expect no less from someone who pimps government dependency all the time.
The lowest of the low-info.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 8:58 AM
Still making stuff up, aren't you. At least your goofy claims give me something to laugh at too, on a regular basis. Thanks.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 10:08 AM
Your simple inability to understand this statement:
"In the case of AB InBev, its roots in Belgium already have provided it big financial advantages because of that country's tax treatment for some multinational corporations... AB InBev reported an effective tax rate of 18.1% for 2014, LESS THAN HALF the 39.5% that Anheuser-Busch reported in 2007, before being bought by InBev."
I know, there are no multinational corporations in Bollinger County so you're a little handicapped to put it nicely. And, of course, you weren't involved in the buyout.
Keep digging that hole. You're half-way to China now.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 12:04 PM
-- Posted by Dug on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 12:04 PM
Dug: I have to disagree with you about no multinational corporations in Bollinger County. There is one and it's the "Rocks R Us, Ltd." All the countries in the world buy their rocks from this company located just outside of Marble Hill. Their slogan is "If it's rocks you need, we have the ones you want". Their phone number is 800-898-ROCK. Find them on FB @Bollinger County Rocks and on Twitter @Rockhounds of Bollinger County. Geologists have estimated that there is enough rocks in Bollinger County to satisfy the world needs for 100 years. BTW, the company has a new customer in the Middle East where the biggest seller is their hand size rock suitable for throwing by the Arabs at their Jewish neighbors. For a product catalog email Rocky@gmail.com, please allow 2 weeks for delivery and ask for your free sample.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 1:33 PM
semo - my bad!!! :-)
I'm sure then that Common is basing his entire knowledge of multinational buyouts, business education and everything on the basis of his job at "Rocks R Us, Ltd.".
I'll bet Common hasn't a clue why a typical stock swap wasn't used and an all-cash term was used in the A-B / InBev buyout. I'll give him a few minutes to Google that one - or email the White House for a quick answer.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 2:55 PM
Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc. and the Belgian brewer InBev SA (already a global brewery) merged for marketing and sales potential, not for taxes, and the mechanics of the union are irrelevant. .
I’ll make a deal with you. Try to find an adult to read the following sentence out loud to you and explain it, especially the hard concepts like “unrivaled worldwide brand portfolio” and “distribution network” and “great potential for growth.”
"This combination will create a stronger, more competitive global company with an unrivaled worldwide brand portfolio and distribution network, with great potential for growth all over the world," Carlos Brito, CEO of InBev, said in the statement.”
So if you manage to do this, paying careful attention to the grown-up, I promise that I will refrain from overwhelming you with all of these pesky facts.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 3:40 PM
Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 3:40 PM
Since Dug was there and you were not why do you think you know so much more? Why is it so hard for you to admit that you may not know everything? Why do you think you are always right and everyone else is wrong?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 3:58 PM
Common doesn't understand that the flowery language used for the media is not always the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 5:52 PM
I thought all big moves out of the U.S. were for $2 labor, At least that's what common was saying.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 5:59 PM
"Since Dug was there and you were not..."
Since Dug was where?
My contention was simply that the merger/takeover was accepted by Anheuser-Busch in order to expand their market and end up selling more beer.
Dug implied it was all for tax avoidance, and I disagree with that because of what the press releases from AB/InBev stated.
I don't ever recall stating that "I know everything." I obviously don't know everything, but I do pay attention to current events and political issues.
It is also more often a matter of political opinions, not necessarily actual “right or wrong.” Since there are a majority of conservatives on SO, there are numerous opportunities for me to disagree.
One of the stranger issues is that my positions (supporting moves toward smaller government, deficit reduction, less spending, and stabilization of social security/Medicare, a balanced budget, and tax reform) are for some reason rejected by the SO conservatives, as if somehow I am not allowed to hold those views.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 6:14 PM
"I thought all big moves out of the U.S. were for $2 labor..."
A-B did not move its breweries.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 6:17 PM
Common
This conservative goes by what you do not by what you say.
We already know what your stated position is, but you make that a lie by those you support. Saying one thing and doing another is nothing new in the world of politics, and a ot of other things for that matter.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 6:23 PM
"...goes by what you do..."
In fact, you have no idea what I do. I am against politicians on the republican side because of what they do, and that is having become the party of "no."
It began just over 7 years ago when they stated that if the President's for it, we must be against it. Note that they didn't say "should" they said "must."
In any case, find republicans that understand that we need to decrease spending AND increase revenue to balance the budget and reduce the deficit, and I'll likely agree with them.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 7:07 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 7:07 PM
Common, pay attention..... my post regarding saying one thing and doing another had absolutely nothing to do with Republicans and everything to do with politicians you support. And in this respect, I know exactly what you do.... you support the likes of Obama, Hillary Clinton and a host of other big spending Democrats who do absolutely nothing to fix social security, deficit reduction and reduction in spending.
And before we start on Obama's deficit reduction if you consider inflation.... there is no inflation, ask the social security recipients about their news regarding an increase in social security. Some of these folks are getting increases at the grocery stores and elsewhere and were depending on an increase in their SS. Fortunately it will not affect my lifestyle, but it will many.
You are a phony Common, you preach one thing and then go support those who do just the opposite.
Regarding the party of no.... before them the Democrats were the party of no. And even if the Republicans were the party of no.... it did not start 7 years ago. The first two years of his regime Obama had a solid Democratic Majority.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 7:49 PM
"...if the President's for it, we must be against it."
I keep hearing this from liberals. Who is they that said it? Maybe you have a link to the video, or could it have been one of Biden's train dreams?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 7:52 PM
Sadly it actually happened. Try this...
Grunwald, Michael. “The Party of No.” Time Magazine, 2 September 2012: 43-46. Print
The article reviews Republican activities and planning beginning in December, 2008 to September, 2012. Having been defeated in the 2008 elections, Republican Congressional leaders considered methods to recover. Some believed in cooperation with the President and were prepared to “cut deals.” The Minority Whip, Eric Cantor and the Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell, both recommended a strategy of “fighting” and insisted that the only hope the party had was to stick together and “if Obama was for it, we had to be against it.” It became clear that all they “cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.” The original stimulus plan had $300 billion of tax cuts, unemployment, infrastructure, research, etc. all of which were Republican initiatives, but in spite of that fact, “the Republican message never waivered: Big Government, big spending, big mess.” This was strong motivation for the “Tea-Party” rise. Although the Republicans had their own stimulus plans, which were similar, they refused to “compromise.” In similar fashion, the health care plan, modeled on the Romney version, met with partisan opposition. The Republican leadership pushed a position where “insufficient anti-Obama fervor had become politically fatal in the GOP.” The fact is that this cost them control of the Senate in the 2010 elections. The longer range question is how extensive their anxiety over budgets and spending really is. “…History suggests their concern about deficit reduction mostly emerges when they are out of power.” The article concludes with “But the temptation to cut taxes and keep spending remains. Romney will have to decide how fully to embrace the Tea Party vision.”
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 8:11 PM
"...who do absolutely nothing to fix social security, deficit reduction and reduction in spending."
I would guess you're aware that it is Congress that passes all spending bills. Perhaps you can explain why the republican House doesn't do anything.
You may ignore facts, but it was the President that initiated Simpson-Bowles, but then...
"Ezra Klein offers an elaborate theory for why President Obama decided not to back the Simpson-Bowles budget plan. Broadly, Ezra argues that it was all Kabuki—the president knew he would kill Simpson-Bowles if he embraced it, so he hung back and hoped that Republicans would box themselves in on the budget and then come to the President desperate for a Simpson-Bowles-like compromise."
So there it was, all the republicans had to do was take the President up on it and come to cooperation and compromise.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 8:33 PM
You may also continue to ignore it, but for years, one of my primary criticisms of President Obama has been his failure to continue pressing for Simpson-Bowles.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 8:38 PM
Old John,
There you have it..... Common produced a newspaper article from September 12 2012 (could it be to support one Barack Hussein Obama) with nothing shown but heresay of he said, she said. Something to hang your hat on, I don't think so.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 8:55 PM
Wheel, The same idea I had. Bob Bennett, Arlen Specter, George Voinovich and other dependable sources. :)
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 9:07 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 8:33 PM
More of your normal BS Common, on one hand you claim they were a do nothing Congress and on the other you claim they gave all of the money to spend he wanted...... which was it.
And PS: I do not hold the Republicans blameless for giving Obama all he wanted for spending. They should have shut him down the first year they got hold of Congress.
So which is it, they were a do nothing Congress or they gave Obama too much money to spend?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 9:09 PM
It came from Time magazine. Look it up if you care to. Then again it may be something that's too hard for you. Sorry.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 9:11 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 9:11 PM
It came from Time magazine you say..... so what where is the sources Time used to prove these statements? Do you put Time magazine on an equal footing with the Bible?
You are going to have to do better than a he said, she said magazine article if you want to prove anything.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 9:16 PM
Read it yourself. I realize you're possibly incapable of understanding things you don't agree with, buts that's something you have to work out for yourself.
I'm just not inclined to waste much time on your problems.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 9:47 PM
The one thing I give Obama and his pals credit for is the way they "spin" and get the media to keep repeating until it is accepted as gospel.
The we must be against it was never a first hand quote. It was set upon the media by Biden hearsay and picked up by the spin masters. It started with a page talking to a ambitious senate aide.
Meanwhile the reason for the big merger was simply to sell more beer, nothing to do with moving the company address for tax reasons. I bet they ended up hiring more and moving a lot of top dollar management jobs into the U.S.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 10:05 PM
Old John.
The way Common quieted down, you would almost think he already knew that.
And what would that make him?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 10:43 PM
Wheels, He may be one of those low energy guys with small hands. HAAA!
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 11:24 PM
"Wheels, He may be one of those low energy guys with small hands. HAAA!" :-)
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 12:24 AM
So there it was, all the republicans had to do was take the President up on it and come to cooperation and compromise. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 8:33 PM
Common: Believe you have history wrong again. The following is From Wikipedia concerning the Bowles-Simpson Commission Reform Act. Seems like the 4 Democrats voting against it actually killed it in Committee. Your welcome.
"The first vote on the final recommendations, originally set for December 1, 2010, was delayed until December 3 when the commission fell short of the supermajority of 14 of 18 votes needed to approve the report.[3] [4] The eleven voting for it were five Democrats (Bowles, Conrad, Durbin, Rivlin, Spratt) and five Republicans (Coburn, Cote, Crapo, Gregg, Simpson) and one Independent (Fudge); the seven voting against it were four Democrats (Baucus, Becerra, Schakowsky, Stern) and three Republicans (Camp, Hensarling, Ryan).[8]"
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 9:08 AM
Funny for tonight: :) :) Hillary blames Republicans for all Michigan's woes.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 8:19 PM
Had some conversation with a man from Michigan a week or so ago. He claims Flint is just the tip of the iceberg so far as the cities with bad water. Also said it all boiled down to graft and politics from the top to the bottom.
I don't live in Michigan so I do not have first hand knowledge but I have no reason to doubt what the man was telling me.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 8:24 PM
Wheels, I remember when Flint was a leading car manufacturer and the water was bad in Mexico.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 9:02 PM
Old John,
I hear you. But the water is still bad in Mexico I think. Flint Has the worst of both situations bad water and nothing to do.
Who is Hillary blaming...... George W. Bush, maybe.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 10:46 PM
She was speaking in general, warning about what would happen if Republicans won the presidency. Then she went on to lecture the idiots about supreme court judges that are so critical in continuing superior liberal progressive policies as if everyone knows the supreme court makes the laws. So sad they have succeeded in government degrading of education in this country.
I shall await the great sage to respond with empty rhetoric.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 11:08 PM
-- Posted by 'Rick on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 8:11 AM
Rick: Those of us in manufacturing (40 yrs. in Production Planning, Inventory Control Mgr., and Purchasing Agent) know what you are saying is true. The only experience that Common has is working as a rock sorter at the company - Rocks R Us, Ltd. outside of Marble Hill.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 9:30 AM
My contention was simply that the merger/takeover was accepted by Anheuser-Busch in order to expand their market and end up selling more beer.
Dug implied it was all for tax avoidance, and I disagree with that because of what the press releases from AB/InBev stated. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 6:14 PM
First, let me educate you. The "merger/takeover" was NOT accepted by Anheuser-Busch in order to expand their market. InBev took over A-B. They offered a lower value and only after A-B Board said they would fight the takeover unless InBev offered the much higher $70/share cash deal did the board recommend stock holders take it.
There was no stock swap - so stockholders had to sell their shares. Why was that Common? So InBev could remove the corporation from the US to Belgium which cannot be done with a stock swap. Only an all-cash 100% buyout would allow this legally. Why did they insist on complete takeover and Belgium ownership? How could they afford the much higher demanded $70/share? Because THEY said moving the company to Belgium would allow the cash-flow of the company to greatly increase due to the 50% CUT in taxes.
And make no mistake, they were vultures and they've proved nothing less. They've stripped the company down to the bone, cut benefits and they've lost 5% market share since. It was and is all about money. AAB III held out until the higher $70/share offer to get $10's of millions more in cash personally. I could go into the details of how his son was sent to Modelo to buy them out and take on more debt so InBev couldn't complete the purchase because they didn't have enough cash. And what happened on that flight to buy Modelo. But I won't.
It WAS taxes and the massive savings that allows InBev to do what A-B couldn't. It wasn't a nice little merger. It was a disaster to the company, employees and to the US Treasury.
Period.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 10:32 AM
Still makin' stuff up..
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 11:49 AM
Or perhaps you could quit overdosing on business magazines and think for yourself. Or you could even read what the President of ImBev writes.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 12:00 PM
Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 12:00 PM
If you believe everything you read on the internet I have a gold mine in the Mojave Desert the I would like to sell you. Cheap!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 12:57 PM
Iamhere: How much do you want for it?
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 2:07 PM
Posted by semo471 on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 2:07 PM
:D
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 3:22 PM
Posted by 'Rick on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 3:33 PM
LOL
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 3:36 PM
Gee, The Hill-Bern team are promising to end every woe of every black person. No more profiling, no more police bullying, free job training and medical intervention in lieu of jail for drug dealers and users. They promise to continue the great work the president has done on their behalf. Just be sure to vote for the one that was most down for the cause when they both dedicated their lives to the Goals of their personal friend, Dr. King.
What an insult to thinking people of any segment of the population to think democrats want to do anything but keep promising at election time to garner votes.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 8:32 PM
Or perhaps you could quit overdosing on business magazines and think for yourself. Or you could even read what the President of ImBev writes. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 12:00 PM
I think that statement sums up nicely all the crap you've spewed over many years. Misleading, misquoting, spinning, worshipping people in news stories. Pretty good summation of where you get your information - whatever the media tells you.
Probably the best example was when you quoted a comedian to refute someone as if it were fact. Then defended it as fact. Then someone pointed out you got spoofed. You're clueless. But as an Obama worshipper no one is surprised. You've been lied to, misled, and embarrassed but your worship doesn't fail.
Once again, you're dead wrong. You'd believe Carlos Burrito over the Belgian government - Carlos is, after all, a "president". God knows you would kiss any presidents backside at every chance. LOL!
Get educated - you obviously are not.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 10:17 PM
"Gee, The Hill-Bern team..."
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 8:32 PM
How about the corrected version…
Gee, the Trump, Cruz, Rubio team are promising to end every woe of every person in America. No more low wage jobs, no unemployment, no more Chinese products flooding our Walmarts, no more illegal or Mexican workers, no more Obamacare, high paying jobs for everyone, tax cuts for all, no more IRS, more restrictions to keep undesirables from voting, ending social security through privatization, no more welfare for the lazy, no more Muslims in the country, more carpet-bombing of Iraqi cities, a 40 foot wall paid for by Mexico, and no more manufacturing oversea.
They promise to undo the terrible work the President has done on their behalf. Just be sure to vote for the one that was most down for the cause when they all dedicated their lives to the goals of their personal friends, the Koch Brothers, Limbaugh and Hannity.
What an insult to thinking people of any segment of the population to think republicans/conservatives want to do anything but keep promising at election time to garner votes.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:40 AM
"You'd believe Carlos Burrito over the Belgian government - "
Who's "Carlos Burrito?"
Appears that you've fully embraced the republican/conservative debate strategy, ignore facts, call names and babble on...
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:58 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:58 AM
You embraced the marxist debate strategy of your president and party long ago - repeat a lie enough and people will begin to believe it. You're so wrong about the tax issue with the InBev takeover. You said it was a merger - wrong. You said taxes had nothing to do with it - wrong (rates are 1/2 in Belgium). You were clueless on the cash buyout - wrong. Its' so easy to correct you - you never get it right or understand the issues in your talking points. Just cut and paste or Google, eh?
For common sense to matter, you a) have to have some and b) have to be open to accepting facts. You have no common sense and when presented to you it doesn't matter. Now go find another comedian to quote as fact. Hilarious!
By the way, who is "ImBev"? Your word, not mine. You're clueless...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 9:38 AM
-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Mar 5, 2016, at 9:08 AM
Common: Nothing but crickets from you about this post.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM
From common, "......., ending social security through privatization,..."
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Seems like republicans will be throwing grannie over the cliff a little earlier in this election.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 7:00 PM
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I knew it would get there.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 10:24 AM
Anybody read anything about Trumps plan to get rid of Obamacare and replace it with fixes such as allowing competition across state lines and not trying to force people to buy insurance?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 11:04 AM
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 11:33 AM
Guess you never found a grown-up to explain this to you....
"This combination will create a stronger, more competitive global company with an unrivaled worldwide brand portfolio and distribution network, with great potential for growth all over the world," Carlos Brito, CEO of InBev, said in the statement.”
Maybe you should ask Carlos Burrito.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 11:53 AM
Common, What did Juan Valdez have to say about it?
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 12:11 PM
Out to lunch, going to have a Burrito. ☺☺
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 12:15 PM
Carlos Brito, CEO of InBev, said in the statement.” -- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 11:53 AM
Thanks for making my point about your lack of common sense and inability to discern. Now post something from a comedian spoof again.
You're stuck on Carlos Brito because he's the president of a company. I guess you believe everything a president says eh? Here's one for you:
"And what I consider to be a total lack of leadership from the President and nothing's going to get fixed... And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime."
Steve Wynn, President and CEO of Wynn Resorts
Now you'll have to accept what Steve Wynn said because, after all, he is the president of a company and you've demonstrated that's all it takes for you to suck it up.
You're such a joke. I'm embarrassed for you.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 1:06 PM
The Frio Bandito says..... don't pay attention to all the flowery language to the press. It is for the consumption of the uneducated public and what upper management wants you to hear.
Common, you wasn't placed in Bollinger County under the auspices of the witness protection program were you?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM
Still laughing at Duggie's bumbling here. Maybe if he can't find an adult, a 12 year old can explain it to him.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 2:21 PM
Common may have came after buying shares in the Marble quarry at Marble Hill from the company president.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 2:21 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 2:21 PM
Still reading all the comments of posters laughing at you. All alone... just you and Barack. Such a creepy man-love you have for him. Kinda disturbing.
Now go Google "ImBev". LOL.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 5:04 PM
"ImBev", is that folks in Arkansas who are related that marry and have kids.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:00 PM
Rick, you talkin about those who go to a family reunion to find a date?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:30 PM
-- Posted by semo471 on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:00 PM
If Common is from Arkansas then a definite "yes". :-)
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:54 PM
"All alone... "
Why should that disturb me? I'm sure you recall that the primary factor in assessing the value of SO posts is to consider the source. In my case I’ve long determined that the merit, significance, and worth of contributions from you and the SO conservatives have values ranging from zero to about a negative 10.
So rest assured that nothing you have said have makes much sense, nor bothers me in the least. The fact that you are clearly incapable of answering simple questions confirms my already negative impression of you capabilities, intellectual or otherwise.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 7:34 PM
So rest assured that nothing you have said makes much sense, nor bothers me in the least.
Much better, worth repetition in any case.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 7:40 PM
Common, Are in a repeat yourself meltdown? :)
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 7:55 PM
I'm sure you recall that the primary factor in assessing the value of SO posts is to consider the source. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 7:34 PM
Believe me, we do it every time with you. It's interesting watching the mind of a low-info loyal Obama worshipper. Very interesting.
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Common, Are in a repeat yourself meltdown? :) -- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 7:55 PM
Bingo!!! Must not be too much going on in the world of Common. Obama's been hiding and Common is desperate for direction. :-)
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 8:08 PM
Not in the least. "Direction" is the very last thing I need, want or expect from you all. Checking for originality, and as usual it's not there.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 9:03 PM
Common: Can you give a little laugh on this one?
This week we celebrate a special birthday. Monica Lewinsky turned 31 this week. Can you believe it? It seems like only yesterday she was crawling around the White House on her hands and knees. They grow up so fast.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 9:55 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 9:03 PM
Comprehension's not a strength of yours. I wouldn't give you direction - you're too low info. The AB-InBev takeover flew right over your head.
But as I said (read real slow); "Obama's been hiding and Common is desperate for direction. :-)
Obama gives you all your direction. Did you check the WH web site already this AM?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 6:47 AM
Now that was funny...
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 8:06 AM
Common: You didn't like my Mar 7, 2016, at 9:55 PM comment or is a post only funny when it's against a Republican.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 8:54 AM
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 11:27 AM
Dug..... if you were trying to cheer Common up, you failed. He isn't going to like any of those.... but I did. ;-)
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 12:10 PM
It's hard to tell if someone is cheery or not if their head is buried in the sand like Common! :-)
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 12:26 PM
".....Trump, whom other civilized nations find abhorrent,...."
Kind of gives away where this opinion was born.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 4:35 PM
Gee, I was going to respond to Rick but I reckon he's on his way north to see them. :) Haw!
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 8:21 PM
Appears that someone was in a dreamworld and began, in the middle of the night, typing fantasies without waking up and putting his brain in gear.
Why would anyone believe that the President had anything to do with the price of gas?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 9, 2016, at 6:52 AM
"..and I'm no dam Conservative just because I slam your Obama , deal with it..."
I don't care in the least whether you're a conservative or not. And I really don't "give a dam" whether or why you care to "slam" President Obama.
That's your right just as it's mine to defend him when he's criticized, if I see reason to.
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And that’s the case with your list of “failures.”
For the most part the results are well into the 45 to 55% range, which means that about half of respondents (within 5%) approve. Some interesting observations…
Fewer “blame” President Obama alone (38%) than those that blame President Bush or both (62%) for Iraq.
His “handling of health care” has 45% approving and 55% disapproving but does make it clear how many of the 55% wanted him to go further to a single payer system.
The President’s positions on gun policy are approved by 42% and disapproved by 52%, yet the same poll indicated that 68% wanted expanded background checks, and 60% said his approach to gun laws was about right or he has not gone far enough.
His “handling” of ISIS was disapproved by 62% but there was no indication of why. The sending of ground troops has only recently flipped with 52% in favor. I’m guessing that that didn’t poll many of the 2% of Americans that have direct connections with our military. Also, the polls said the 55% don’t want the US to be a “peacekeeper.”
As an indicator of the failings and imprecise nature of polls and their respondents, 60% were convinced that a terrorist attack during last December was very or somewhat likely.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 9, 2016, at 8:51 AM
What you call a "litany of explanations" other people call facts.
If it's hard for you to accept the truth, that's just too bad. And as always if you don't like or associate yourself with conservatives, that's fine, I don't care much for or respect the SO version either.
And all I said about gas was ...
Why would anyone believe that the President had anything to do with the price of gas?
You may also want to look a bit more closely into the definition of "hypocrisy."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 9, 2016, at 3:12 PM
Looks like someone is defending Trump, or at least posting a piece that doesn't paint him as the completely irrational and derisible politician that he is.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Mar 9, 2016, at 3:39 PM
-- Posted by 'Rick on Wed, Mar 9, 2016, at 3:58 PM
Rick: Common only has that "Pres. Pinky" filter on.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Mar 10, 2016, at 9:11 AM
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Mar 12, 2016, at 1:07 PM
Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Mar 12, 2016, at 1:07 PM
Anymore I feel like Hillary will never be "punished" for all the things she has done to people and the Country until she stands before God.
That will be the time when money, blame, excuses, and lies will not work.
I know this sounds terrible but it seems that she is "untouchable". No matter what she does nothing happens to her.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Mar 12, 2016, at 2:09 PM
As a candidate and a person..... Hillary Clinton is dirt!
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Mar 12, 2016, at 2:43 PM
As simple as ABC.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Mar 13, 2016, at 9:39 AM
Semo471
Might want to change that to AbBC. (Anyone but Bernie or Clinton). I cannot stand Hillary and I don't think we should elect a self proclaimed Socialist to the Presidency either. Both scare hell out of me.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Mar 13, 2016, at 9:46 AM
The FBI will take care of Hillary or all hell will take place....believe someone on the news said by mid April we will have an answer from the FBI and the DOJ.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Mar 13, 2016, at 1:11 PM
-- Posted by 'Rick on Sun, Mar 13, 2016, at 9:21 PM
Rick: After all a sitting Pres. Nixon was forced from office, why not a Presidential nominee.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Mar 13, 2016, at 10:08 PM
Democrats have voted for the dead before. It wouldn't surprise me if it worked out so Hillary could be on the ballot even if disqualified.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 14, 2016, at 7:24 AM
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Mar 14, 2016, at 9:16 PM
-- Posted by 'Rick on Mon, Mar 14, 2016, at 8:55 PM
Rick: IMO, that would be any barriers between the couch and the fridge for the low info PC Liberal Democratic voters.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Mar 14, 2016, at 9:24 PM
Convince the public government owes them and see how quickly they give up their rights to collect.
I think it is time to go back and study the God inspired thinking of the founders of our nation.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Mar 14, 2016, at 10:07 PM
Rick, The controversy was about which Christian denomination was to be favored by the federal government. The amendment prohibited federal government from making such law. The states were free to keep their state churches. The pilgrims that fled their homeland for religious freedom were Christian.
Religion was not to be kept out of government, government was to be kept out of religion in the states.
Today our children are taught that school cannot tolerate any teaching or recognition of Christianity. I guess few public school teachers today know that most all the Ivy League colleges were founded as Christian seminaries.
Thus it is my opinion that our nation was founded as a Christian nation.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 15, 2016, at 9:38 AM
Crazy.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Mar 17, 2016, at 12:17 PM
Only 9 more months and less than 3 days left of this insanity.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 17, 2016, at 8:41 PM
Too bad Kaisick dropped out, Common thought him to be worthy, just behind Kinky Friedman, Hillary and Bernie.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Mar 17, 2016, at 8:58 PM
G.H.
There is no question in my mind that the fix is in. You know that Clinton Trust thing.... what would you bet money wasn't used from that to make Hillary look pretty.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 18, 2016, at 12:15 AM
"Control of Woody Island could flow of goods to the world..hmmmm..."
Per your link, the map shows 500 miles between Woody Island and the Philippines. That's a lot of shipping lane outside of China's reach.
Plus that next super typhoon that goes over the PI to Hainan or Vietnam may solve the problem.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Mar 18, 2016, at 8:28 AM
Not to worry.... if we will just elect Hillary, she will perform a "Reset" with China, like she did with Putin in Russia.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Mar 18, 2016, at 9:00 AM
Hmm...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Mar 18, 2016, at 8:04 PM
No need to worry about Woody Island....the rising sea levels due to Global Warming will flood the island.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Mar 19, 2016, at 8:21 AM
Granddaughter spotted a sticker on a truck the other day that was pretty good.
It said "Delete Hillary". LOL
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Mar 19, 2016, at 8:45 AM
G.H.
Minnie-Mickey-Mischick.... whatever you choose to call her became somewhat irritated with me yesterday and kind of had a "Minnie" meltdown. Hasn't been seen since.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Mar 19, 2016, at 7:08 PM
And I thought he said super Tycoon. :)
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Mar 19, 2016, at 9:18 PM
Wheels I noticed Mic hasn't been heard from since the nuclear meltdown. I was just kidding abt someone turning them in for Blasphemy but maybe someone did.
Or maybe they imposed a self exile?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 8:59 AM
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 8:59 AM
Ditto from So..... Haven't missed her yet.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 10:13 AM
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 8:59 AM
Iamhere: That's what kids do, take their marbles and go home.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 10:16 AM
-- Posted by G. H. on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 4:11 PM
G.H.
I would love to be your hero in this case, but unfortunately I am afraid she will be back, in one form or another. You have to believe in reincarnation here on Speak Out and the Forums.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 4:36 PM
See how Common or any other PC Liberal Democrat can spin this:
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 8:29 PM
Semo, "I don't recall". :)
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:07 PM
Try reading the second to last paragraph. The "focus group" in the link makes as little sense as one comprised of SO participants would.
It's unlikely to get an unbiased result when you use a biased sample.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:08 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:08 PM
Common a simple question..... Do you personally believe Hillary Clinton has never lied? A simple yes or no answer will do.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:27 PM
Defense of Obama is getting tough, time to defend Hillary.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:43 PM
I predict a common, Common answer.
"All politicians lie" with no admission. In 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:43 PM
The group was people that disliked both front runners. Common fails again.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:49 PM
"A simple yes or no answer will do."
The simple, but puerile, answer is no. The adult and rational response or answer is to recognize that everyone lies at times for various reasons. And this is irrefutably and especially true of all politicians.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 21, 2016, at 7:21 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Mar 21, 2016, at 7:21 AM
You need to pass that on to Hillary..... she doesn't think she has ever lied. That is the woman that will be making our decisions & shaping our nation for us, for the next 4 years if people like you have your way.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Mar 21, 2016, at 10:04 AM
“She lied about lying,” -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:08 PM
Common: That says all one needs to know about Hillary the email queen. Who are you going to vote for when Hillary has to drop out from a deal with the Feds....Bernie the Socialist, give it all away for free and don't worry about the $19 trillion debt.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Mar 21, 2016, at 7:00 PM
“She lied about lying,” -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Mar 20, 2016, at 9:08 PM"
Actually I said nothing of the sort.
I did refer to this...
"The focus group, conducted earlier this week, consisted of Florida voters opposed to both Clinton and Republican Donald Trump. Both candidates are the frontrunners for their party’s respective nominations."
So that "focus group" is no more likely to provide a rational, unbiased response, than one you'd get from our SO friends.
Perhaps it may run contrary to everything one would glean from comments and claims in these threads, but one might think with this being the "Show-me" state, that somebody would ask to actually see at least one of these allegedly “classified” e-mails.
The closest I heard or seen is references to one of the “reviewers” saying to another, “This e-mail has the word drone in it, aren’t drones classified?” And the response from a second consisting of, “Sure they are, stamp that one ‘Top Secret-SCI.’”
Then again, expecting objectivity may be too much to ask…
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 6:58 AM
that somebody would ask to actually see at least one of these allegedly “classified” e-mails.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 6:58 AM
Nice little straw man you've got there. So the only way any on "these threads" can believe that Hillary's emails are "classified" would be that "somebody would ask to actually see at least one of these allegedly classified emails".
As if someone on SO could contact the FBI, NSA or CIA and say "Hey - can I see Hillary's emails?". Sorry - none of us have such access so you make a straw man.
As a matter of fact, if anyone on SO had such access it would be you. The next time you're kissing the presidents backside in the Oval office maybe you could ask him - "Oh master of all things, perchance I may peek at Hillary's emails"?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:07 AM
I don't expect that much from our SO community, but you'd think that someone, somewhere might have the same idea.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:42 AM
"but one might think with this being the "Show-me" state, that somebody would ask to actually see at least one of these allegedly “classified” e-mails." -- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 6:58 AM
I thought by that statement and the "Show-me" reference you were talking about "these threads" and posters.
Even beside that it has been stated that some of the emails were so classified that not even members of the House Intelligence committee are allowed to view them.
So not publishing them to people doesn't mean they weren't highly classified. Quite the contrary.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:45 AM
And all that is not the point. The law was broken when she knowingly failed to handle government communications is a secure way. At first the mail was about wedding pictures, then about only routine government communications and now about not classified at the time. It just keeps getting deeper.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 8:39 AM
Even beside that it has been stated that some of the emails were so classified that not even members of the House Intelligence committee are allowed to view them.
So not publishing them to people doesn't mean they weren't highly classified. Quite the contrary.
-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:45 AM
Probably doesn't matter a lot who sees them now as chances are high they have already been hacked and read by N.Korea,China,etc..
She really screwed that up.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 8:39 AM
Hillary is dirty damaged goods and should be in jail, but it will not happen I believe..... the fix is in, her freedom has been bought and paid for. If she wins, watch and wait for the payoffs on promises made. Will make Obama's "Solyndra Scandal" look cheap.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 9:27 AM
"Quite the contrary."
Funny...
Withholding the evidence, proves it's accurate? Is this the new conservative "Catch 22?"
Like using the old, "If I told you, I'd have to shoot you" defense.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 10:16 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 10:16 AM
Common,
Try thinking for a change. If the investigation found Top Secret information on Hillary's illegally operated Server, do you really feel that should be made public? What about her lies that it all pertained to her daughter's wedding and the others she told to try and make small of her transgressions.... do you really believe them even when they contradict one another.
Why don't you quite trying to drag a red herring through the mess trying to overwhelm the stench that is already there?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 10:23 AM
Withholding the evidence, proves it's accurate? -- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 10:16 AM
Hillary tried to withhold the evidence. But the FBI has recovered it.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 10:41 AM
Dug,
Common knows better he is just part of the effort to make Hillary look "pretty" for the voters.
Anybody knows evidence is withheld from the public in any kinds of criminal investigations until such time as they are ready to indict. Even then top secret government information will not be released or those releasing it could be subject to indictment.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 11:17 AM
"...world must unite against terror after Brussels attack..."
Is there some reason you think the world should not?
Right now after two NATO members have been attacked in less than 4 months, by individuals claimed by ISIS, NATO air, naval and ground forces should land in Syria, sending armored columns eastward and continue destroying any opposition until they reach Baghdad.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 6:58 PM
Mr. Big Wheel...
"Try thinking for a change."
Classified information has downgrade procedures, and is highly susceptible to the passage of time. Items that were classified eight years ago are rarely still classified.
There is absolutely no reason that the FBI should not be able to release one shred of clear evidence of guilt. And if everything is perfectly clear, there is no reason they should not indict right now.
Perhaps they are waiting for Congress to conduct the equivalent of 16 or 16 senseless Benghazi hearings that produced no results.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:23 PM
So time is on her side. What a lame excuse for defending Hillary.
You ignore the fact that she ignored the law.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM
Mr. Big Wheel...
"Try thinking for a change."
Common one of two things you either know that even the local police withhold evidence and details during a criminal investigation..... that or you are dumber than a box of rocks.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:56 PM
I'm still waiting for NASA to fulfill it's purpose of improving relations with Muslims that want to kill anyone not bowing to their made up god.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 8:28 PM
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 7:56 PM
Wheels: Maybe a non-Liberal university (if there is one) will get a grant from the government and investigate why "Common" and others like him are blind to the facts and won't admit that they are wrong in their worshiping the President and Hillary the email queen. The Grant would be named - Lack of 20/20 Vision.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 8:31 PM
The great Hillary has no peers. :)
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Mar 23, 2016, at 8:27 AM
That is why Hillary has been supporting Pres. Pinky's legacy because she wants him to pardon her so she won't do any jail time. However, she will have to drop out of the race and Uncle Joe riding in on his white horse will save the Democratic party.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Mar 23, 2016, at 9:33 AM
Well... Now Chelsea seems to be getting more and more involved with her Mom's campaign.
So if Hillary gets elected will it be Presidents Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea?
Just curious. She sounds more like her Mom everyday. Hmmmm wonder if there is a position awaiting young Clinton?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Mar 26, 2016, at 3:39 PM
You would have to be a fool to vote for Hillary or Donald! I am for the best person for the job,not voting a certain way just because My Dad or Mom were that particular party and want to please them! I hope that the noose you put around your neck when you vote for either one of these two fits comfortably. You have hung yourself and it will be a long death!
-- Posted by bozobell50 on Wed, Apr 20, 2016, at 8:57 PM
Unfortunately bozobell50, one of these two are going to be president. So what do you propose?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Apr 20, 2016, at 9:21 PM
It appears Broom Hilda is paying herself to campaign. Kind of a contrast to Trump isn't it.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM
I bet just the thought of that surfacing has the Hildabeast all puckered up.
You do understand, it is her turn to be President. Political Correctness demanded a racial justice candidate last two races, she waited.... now gender fairness demands it be her turn.
Qualification and character be damed.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 3:24 PM
Wheels, that should be lying crooked Hillary.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 4:24 PM
Someone pointed out that most of the media are too young to remember all the Clinton scandals. Poor common seems to be in his second childhood as he seems to be to immature to remember his gal as the traitor to her country she has been.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 4:53 PM
Wouldn't she make a fine President..... the whole world falling at her feet to adore her for here honesty and integrity? Sarcasm intended.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 5:02 PM
The Saudis would donate enough to keep her in office a second term and don't forget Bill will be there to stand up for women's rights.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 5:12 PM
How about let's keep up the Hillary corruption, lies, etc. on this thread? Let Commie talk to himself about "the Donald". LOL.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 6:41 PM
From the liberal ABC news today. More evidence of corruption for Commie's fave:
"The State Department said today it can’t find any of Bryan Pagliano’s emails from the time he served as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s senior information technology staffer during her tenure there.
Pagliano would have been required to turn over any official communications from his work account before he left the government. State Department officials say he had an official email account, but that they can't find any of those records and continue to search for them."
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 6:43 PM
-- Posted by Dug on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 6:41 PM
Dug I am tired of his rants and his name calling and if you don't agree with him it is liar.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 7:15 PM
Wheels, You're way ahead of me. Your first post mentioned the ignorance of media due to youth. That idea is making news now in as it becomes apparent the White House people used and exploited press to fool congress as to public opinion concerning Obama's plan to give Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons. Now he wants to pay them for the heavy water produced in making a nuke.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 7:34 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 7:34 PM
Old John, I think in our own minds we know the media is in the Left's pocket.... and for damned sure they can not report the truth on Obama, he is black and they would be labeled racists if they even tried. Just tell the truth about him and see how quickly it gets you labeled racist or worse.
You cannot post anything on here that tells the truth about Obama or Hillary lest one of the Testy Trio doesn't jump your case..... and one in particular always wants to make a whizzing contest out of it.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 8:52 PM
You may want to consider telling the truth for a change.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 9:41 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 9:41 PM
Common: What will you PC Liberal low info Democrats do when the Feds nail lying crooked Hillary to the wall....about ready for the fat lady to sing.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 10:02 PM
You may want to consider telling the truth for a change. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 9:41 PM
January - Hillary's broke.
April - I've never heard or read of such a thing.
You might want to talk to yourself about the "truth".
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 10:23 PM
And the downward spiral of Hillary and the democrats continues. I'm sure this is nothing new to most of the posters here. Let's have Commie spin this one...
"The White House on Monday worked to contain the damage caused by one of President Barack Obama's closest aides, who, in a seemingly candid, behind-the-curtain magazine story, ripped the Washington press corps, boasted of creating an "echo chamber" of supporters to sell the Iran nuclear deal and appeared to dismiss long-time foreign policy hands, including Hillary Clinton, as the Blob.
Deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes' comments to The New York Times Magazine have sparked a mix of bewilderment and outrage in Washington's political and policy circles. While some marveled at a savvy White House aide's apparent eagerness to discuss what some consider the ugly sausage making of modern governing, other noted he'd kicked up a hornet's nest of a debate over whether the White House oversold the legacy-burnishing deal to curb Iran's nuclear program."
So the press is on the lam for the Obama administration? And Hillary Clinton is "the blob"? Too funny. Liberals eating themselves alive.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 11:07 PM
Regarding Hillary the "Blob" quote :
By Monday the White House was playing defense. White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters he had never heard Rhodes describe the foreign policy establishment, including Clinton, as the Blob, as the magazine describes.
Earnest has said Rhodes' concern about the timing of the disclosure of seizure of the sailors in January was primarily about the sailors' safety — not about concerns that the news would interfere with the president's speech. He said he was certain Rhodes would recast his description of the Washington press corps.
"I assure you that's not how it was intended, and based on that reaction I'm confident he would say it differently if given the chance," he said.
..........
Let's hope the voters don't make the same mistake if given the chance again .
I could have swore this was all been told before but commonsensematters denied it venomously in every aspect . Obama must be supported , absolutely has to be , no matter the issue .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 2:56 AM
"...denied it venomously in every aspect."
You may have to be somewhat more specific in your accusation. What, where and when did I deny this?
Clearly I have no hesitation in defending and supporting President when charges are misstated, misinterpreted, or particularly when positions are taken out of context, but that is by no means "absolute."
Your conclusion has always been drawn despite my pointing out, on many occasions, how and why I disagreed with the President's position. I may not have denied my "absolute support" quite as often as you have denied your "conservative leanings" but it's close.
Being essentially a minority of one on here, it may seem that I defend him on "everything" but that's primarily because there are so frequent unfounded accusations.
A good example is the charge that President Obama is the cause of the partisan split in Washington, primarily due to arguments such as the "ride in the back of the bus" claim. The fact is he wasn't even talking about a "bus" but rather a "car" with the American people in the front seat leaving only the back seat for participating republicans.
And there is the proclamation made periodically on SO that the "eagle needs two wings to fly" which is certainly true. Unfortunately there were elements of the republican party that not only refused to take part in flying forward, but were actively trying to fly in reverse (— Former U.S. Sen. George Voinovich “If he was for it, we had to be against it.”)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 6:53 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 6:53 AM
Common: So says the Goat Herder from Rocky Top Scopus....more BS from Pres. Pinky's spoke person.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 8:07 AM
Commie is so busy trying to explain away Obama's screwups he is interrupting himself explaining.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 8:34 AM
"... I defend him on "everything" but that's primarily because there are so frequent unfounded accusations."
Unfounded means you are too blinded to see the facts from other than an unbiased view point.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 8:56 AM
"...denied it venomously in every aspect."
You may have to be somewhat more specific in your accusation. What, where and when did I deny this?
Clearly I have no hesitation in defending and supporting President when charges are misstated, misinterpreted, or particularly when positions are taken out of context, but that is by no means "absolute."
Your conclusion has always been drawn despite my pointing out, on many occasions, how and why I disagreed with the President's position. I may not have denied my "absolute support" quite as often as you have denied your "conservative leanings" but it's close.
Being essentially a minority of one on here, it may seem that I defend him on "everything" but that's primarily because there are so frequent unfounded accusations.
A good example is the charge that President Obama is the cause of the partisan split in Washington, primarily due to arguments such as the "ride in the back of the bus" claim. The fact is he wasn't even talking about a "bus" but rather a "car" with the American people in the front seat leaving only the back seat for participating republicans.
And there is the proclamation made periodically on SO that the "eagle needs two wings to fly" which is certainly true. Unfortunately there were elements of the republican party that not only refused to take part in flying forward, but were actively trying to fly in reverse (— Former U.S. Sen. George Voinovich “If he was for it, we had to be against it.”)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 6:53 AM
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Dear Mullahs, We'll Help You... Love, the 47%
Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 6:02 PM:
President Obama said it is "somewhat ironic" to see some congressional Republicans "wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 9:11 AM
"minority of one on here"
Now that is ironic , I'm Independent , how many Independents do you see on here ?
The only "minority" you champion are those with black skin , show me one other non-black skin minority you have shown one iota concern about , it's always been all about the poor plight of the blacks .
Give it a rest dude .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 9:15 AM
-- Posted by Rick. on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 9:15 AM
Rick: When you have a voter block that votes 93% Democratic you have to favor and cotton to there wishes.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 10:40 AM
"Unfounded means you are too blinded to see the facts from other than an unbiased view point."
Unfounded---
"...not supported with facts or evidence..." or "...without a basis in reason or fact."
Sorry, it has nothing to do with "blinded."
It does mean, for example, that the "back of the bus" insinuation is not supported with facts or evidence.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 10:48 AM
"...you champion are those with black skin ..."
Think about it. Which minority is routinely denigrated one way or another on SO?
If the SO conservatives were to abuse, dishonor or mock Chief Joseph or Chief Sitting Bull, I would defend them the same fashion (and I would presume that you would also.)
Or if the SO conservatives were to insult the memory of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, I would exhibit similar concern over that type of disrespect.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 11:02 AM
"Think about it. Which minority is routinely denigrated one way or another on SO?"
Would you like to expound on that a bit? Who that you are defending is being routinely denigrated because they are a minority or because of race if you will?
I don't believe your one sentence question answers or explains your position very well.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 11:19 AM
When your messiah is a race-baiter, you must be one too.
Commie obeys well.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 12:24 PM
More DS, bringing SO conservative absurdity and silliness to records.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 1:06 PM
"Think about it. Which minority is routinely denigrated one way or another on SO?"
Commie I asked you to elaborate a bit on this. Your apparent intention to not do so can only indicate one thing to me..... there is no denigration because of minority or race status on here. An imaginary injustice.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 1:24 PM
"...no denigration because of minority or race status on here."
What planet do you live on? Or do you selectively "recall" only discussions that make you happy?
There's been amply mention of "all those black moochers" demanding more "free stuff" like phones.
A favorite is describing them as "inferior."
Claims similar to implying that President Obama had to be from Africa because of his name, and how that could be the cause of his "ineptness" etc.
How both Attorney Generals were obviously favoring only blacks.
How in spite of being black, President Obama did nothing for poor blacks, which he was supposedly elected for.
If you want more, look them up yourself, or ask "Lyin' Duggie" who purportedly "knows everything."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 1:50 PM
- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 1:50 PM
Common, while there surely has been some mention of at least some of the things you mention, I would hardly put most of it as denigration unless facts are denigration..... and it has been anything but routine.
If you think someone calling the President inept, when he is, is denigration because he is black then you are telling us that his color makes him untouchable and I am not buying into that bit of stupidity.
If his supporters skin is that thin then they should have encouraged him not to seek the job and to do a job safe from criticism.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 2:31 PM
who purportedly "knows everything."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 1:50 PM
Scared to death of your own words. What a terrifying world you live in...
January - "Hillary is broke" - Commie
April - "I have never heard or read anything about this" - Commie
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I know one thing for sure. You've been caught lying so often to defend the man you worship. Seek help.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 2:51 PM
That's laughable coming from "Lyin' Duggie."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 2:57 PM
I think, come Jan 21, 2017 they better have a couple of guys in white coats come after commie with one of those jackets that lace up the back.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 3:14 PM
The results will not concern me in the least. If Trump wins we may get a single payer system, tax increases for rich republicans, and so on. Hopefully those things will get in place before he gets impeached.
What's much more likely is that, after Hillary takes the oath, the SO conservative gang implodes along with the republican party.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 3:38 PM
I think Commie's voting for the Donald. He seems to think Donald Trumps a big liar. An egotistical maniac. Sounds like his messiah Obama.
Keep predicting republican losses. You've been dead wrong for 8 years. Your record is abysmal.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 3:55 PM
Presidential elections of 2008 and 2012. Appears like 100% in national races. My guess is that your rate was 0%.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 4:13 PM
What's much more likely is that, after Hillary takes the oath.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 3:38 PM
Common: Dream on, it's not goanna happen because lying crooked Hillary will be cutting a deal with the Feds and will drop out of the race in order to keep from going to jail....the fat lady is about to sing the swan song for Hillary.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM
"...you champion are those with black skin ..."
Think about it. Which minority is routinely denigrated one way or another on SO?
If the SO conservatives were to abuse, dishonor or mock Chief Joseph or Chief Sitting Bull, I would defend them the same fashion (and I would presume that you would also.)
Or if the SO conservatives were to insult the memory of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, I would exhibit similar concern over that type of disrespect.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 11:02 AM
I almost take this to mean selective racism .
I'm of to the opinion the Obama backers first defense was to automatically assume those who oppose him just because of his skin color and not his ideologies or policies . Actually , I was accused of doing this myself when I am a minority , I found it offensive at first and then eventually realized it for what it was , a total dedication to Obama .
The Trump folks are no different , they will believe anything he says or do anything he tells them to do no matter how crazy it might be , including racism and bigotry . The irony is the Obama supporters are the loudest to object when they did the very same thing for the past 8 years .
Trump told the Republicans from the get go he would go wild cat if he didn't get his way , he didn't care . As he gained momentum and his loud mouth bully bigot agenda snowballed , he slowly over took the Republicans . Now he's still telling the Republicans the same thing , he doesn't care , it's going to be his way . It's no different then Obama did the Democrats in 2008 .
I have to wonder , why didn't Trump choose the Democrats if he doesn't care about the Democrats or Republicans ? A flip of the coin and it could be you he would be representing , how would that work after 8 years of Obama's total inept actions ?
America gets yanked around by the nose , first one way by your "has to be followed no matter what Obama" to the "has to be followed no matter what Trump" . Is this any way to run a country ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 6:41 PM
btw..the Great Leaders of the Peoples would need no help in the ways of their mockers .
Not of yours or anyone else .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 6:43 PM
When 100% of the people legally living in the U.S. decide they are Americans , there will be little need for the designation: minority.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 7:26 PM
There are Sovereign Nations inside of the USA .
The Peoples of these Nations are minorities not of their choosing , they were forced there by USA Government decree .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 7:41 PM
Who chooses these people declare themselves minorities and why?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 7:52 PM
I supposed when you're out numbered and told what , when , and how you'll do things , you are a minority .
What would be your definition ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 7:58 PM
We only want to be left alone , is that too much to ask ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 8:04 PM
You just described the majority. :)
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 8:12 PM
No good comes from talking about it , I only say things when the Obama supporters try to use it as excuses .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 8:31 PM
Presidential elections of 2008 and 2012. Appears like 100% in national races. My guess is that your rate was 0%. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 4:13 PM
A short break from your lying and then back to it, eh? You didn't make any predictions on the 2008 election.
Just like your president - taking credit for things you never did.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 9:34 PM
More DS.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 10:27 PM
More Commie lies... it's getting old Commie.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 10:35 PM
“….first defense was to automatically assume those who oppose him just because of his skin color and not his ideologies or policies.”
That may well be your opinion, but it is hardly the full story. Opposition to an administration because of ideology and policy is totally normal and expected. The degree of hatred, abuse and vitriol demonstrated against this President goes well beyond acceptable levels and customary civility.
I disagreed with many of the policies and ideologies of the President Bush administration, but did not see any reason why dissension could not be expressed without acrimony.
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“….the loudest to object when they did the very same thing for the past 8 years.”
I don’t recall that at any time in the past 8 years that President Obama claimed he would deport 11 million people, bar Muslims, force American companies to close factories in China, lie about reopening coal mines closed for lack of demand, claim that he would force Mexico to build a wall, etc. etc.
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“It's no different then [President] Obama did the Democrats in 2008.”
That may be your opinion. Mine is that President Obama did nothing of the sort, a fact that has been explained several times before.
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“….why didn't Trump choose the Democrats…”
Possibly because he would have been laughed off the stage had he tried to. Who am I to say that republican/conservatives are more gullible than most Americans. The actual case may well have been that Trump’s eventual success was only made possible by the fact that there were 16 candidates in the original chase. If from the start, had he been forced to run against only Senator Cruz and someone like Jeb Bush (preferably one who was not related to the other Presidents), Trump would likely come in third in all of the contests with the 20-25% of the vote that he had at first.
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“…first one way by your "has to be followed no matter what [President] Obama" …
I have no idea who would have claimed that, nor why they would have. Seems to be another opinion of yours that you’re always welcome to hold.
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“…the Great Leaders of the Peoples would need no help in the ways of their mockers.”
That may well be true, but it is just as true for President Obama. Presumably you’re aware that he is hardly concerned about his approval rating on SO when nationwide it’s up to 53%
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 7:03 AM
“When 100% of the people legally living in the U.S. decide they are Americans, there will be little need for the designation: minority.”
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 7:26 PM
Better yet….
When 100% of the people legally living in the U.S. [are treated equally as] Americans, there will be little need for the designation: minority.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 7:07 AM
Common contradicts himself again as he has defended affirmative action programs that are based on the liberal theory that people of minority races are inferior and need special help to compete and succeed in his biased world.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:00 AM
The degree of hatred, abuse and vitriol demonstrated against this President goes well beyond acceptable levels and customary civility.- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 7:03 AM
So says a race-baiting dude from Scopus. You're really proud of that opinion aren't you? Gonna take more than that for your statement to stand up.
Of course you forget the hatred, vitriol and attacks on Bush. And you blamed him for years after Obama got in office for Obama's problems.
Lie again. It's what you do... your opinion isn't worth much here.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:02 AM
OJ is the only one that keeps referring to minorities as "inferior." I know that they are not.
Try the correct version...
I have "...defended affirmative action programs that are based on the liberal theory that people of minority races..." are often in situations where their primary and secondary schools have not prepared them suitably to compete for and complete higher education on an equitable basis.
Affirmative action programs are designed to provide the training to enable them to succeed in a normal college environment and meet established standards.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:16 AM
are often in situations where their primary and secondary schools have not prepared them suitably to compete for and complete higher education on an equitable basis.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:16 AM
And whose fault is that?
Affirmative action programs are quotas. Period. They push hiring minorities over others and encourage organizations to ignore grade point average, test scores, past success/failure, and focus on one race, one gender.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:29 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 7:03 AM
The image of Obama you try to show is only the one that appears in the waters on a cloudy day . It is not as clear as you describe , once again I go back to the dedication and believing whatever is said or done by Obama no matter what .
The list you give is example "A" , the person you describe appears outstanding in every way , he's done nothing but good , there is nothing farther from the truth . Your dedication does not allow an object view , this is not just dangerous to me , it's dangerous to the entire public .
Whatever link you found 53% doesn't matter , it only proves example "B" , a dedication . He can not be re-elected , what would it matter if he's 53% at this point in time ?
In my opinion it's more then obvious that America has been divided Partisan as ever before and racial relations have been set back at least 50 years over the last 8 years , he has played the race card to meet his agenda . Your posts in his defense have had racial premise too .
Trump now feeds off this social frenzy created by Obama , now you are crying "Foul !" when it was created by the very person you are dedicated to for 8 years .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:48 AM
-- Posted by Rick. on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:48 AM
Well said!
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:51 AM
So The Clintons Weren't So Bad Eh?
Sanders beat Hillary once again in West Virginia last night . I don't think Hillary should be getting all so comfortable with her personal attacks against Trump just yet .
If she was the hands down voter's candidate , she would have won the Democrat long ago -- super delegate or not .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:51 AM
Those Democrats who are busy hammering Trump need to clean up their own back yard first .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:52 AM
“…racial relations have been set back at least 50 years over the last 8 years…”
“The civil rights phase of the black revolution had reached its legislative and judicial summit. Then, from 1964 to 1968, more than a hundred American cities were swept by race riots, which included dynamitings, guerrilla warfare, and huge conflagrations, as the anger of the northern black community at its relatively low income, high unemployment, and social exclusion exploded. At this violent expression of hopelessness the northern white community drew back rapidly from its reformist stance on the race issue (the so-called white backlash). In 1968, swinging rightward in its politics, the nation chose as president Richard M. Nixon, who was not in favor of using federal power to aid the disadvantaged. Individual advancement, he believed, had to come by individual effort.”
What has changed in the past 8 years is that there are more incidents that are taped or recorded, and perceived and actual unfairness, marginal or criminal acts receive more attention and press.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:17 AM
“Trump now feeds off this social frenzy created by [President] Obama , now you are crying "Foul !"
How am I crying “Foul?” What social “frenzy?”
The republican party member “revolt” is not directed against the President, it is directed against their own Congressional and party “establishment.”
And contrary to what the republican establishment would have you believe, the revolt is because they have seen no positive action out of Congress.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:24 AM
Commie
Obama has been too busy golfing and kissing up to the Muslim nations of the world to worry about the well being of underprivileged people in America.
I propose a statue in his honor set in a prominent location where everybody can enjoy it. Said statue to be designed by the artist who drew the political cartoon of Obama and the Saudi King, featured in this newspaper just a couple of weeks back.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM
Is there a famous golf course in Japan?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:45 AM
Obama and the Saudi King, featured in this newspaper just a couple of weeks back. -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM
Careful there - you're insulting Commie's God.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:49 AM
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:49 AM
Dug, I saved a copy of that cartoon... I liked it so well that as soon as I get a little time I am going to make an 8 X 10 glossy of it and hang it on my office wall.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:53 AM
Is there a famous golf course in Japan?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:45 AM
Why, is that where he has jetted off to now?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:56 AM
Appears that Commie and Mickey are having a love fest and are trying to verbally burn Trump at the stake on the other thread. They make good company for one another.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 10:28 AM
Those who have been 100% totally dedicated to Obama and wouldn't have it any other way . You wouldn't even consider what others were saying , the lunacy dancing in high places was forced down our throats , this is what you've created .
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Sanders' West Virginia Win Makes up Little Ground on Clinton
White House dreams fading, Bernie Sanders added another state to his tally against Hillary Clinton with a win in West Virginia on Tuesday — a victory that will do little to slow the former secretary of state's steady march toward the Democratic presidential nomination.
Meanwhile, Republican Donald Trump also won there and in Nebraska, a week after he cleared the field of his remaining rivals. They were not victories likely to heal the party's wounds, as some GOP leaders continue to hold off offering their endorsement of the party's presumptive nominee.
Among those voting in the West Virginia Democratic primary, about a third said they would support Trump over either Clinton or Sanders in November. An additional 2 in 10 said they wouldn't vote for either candidate. But 4 in 10 also said they consider themselves to be independents or Republicans, and not Democrats, according to exit polls.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 11:28 AM
I just saw that Hillary has a new designation behind her name.... Hillary Clinton BBB
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 11:31 AM
And example "C" . You still refuse to be objective or consider facts .
................
What has changed in the past 8 years is that there are more incidents that are taped or recorded, and perceived and actual unfairness, marginal or criminal acts receive more attention and press.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:17 AM
Excuses .
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“Trump now feeds off this social frenzy created by [President] Obama , now you are crying "Foul !"
How am I crying “Foul?” What social “frenzy?”
The republican party member “revolt” is not directed against the President, it is directed against their own Congressional and party “establishment.”
And contrary to what the republican establishment would have you believe, the revolt is because they have seen no positive action out of Congress.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:24 AM
You do not mention the Democrat revolt between Sanders and Clinton that is still happening as currently as yesterday . You still hang on to Obama's lame "do nothing Congress" excuse .
You do realize the fact that Congress has been given control to the Republicans right ? You do realize the Congress was majority Democrat when Obama was elected , right ?
The majority of voters dis-agree with your total dedication .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 11:34 AM
Trump and Sanders both are campaigning against the establishment .
That would be both Republican and Democrat .
Where is your objective thinking ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 11:37 AM
Trump is a loud mouth bully bigot .
Hillary is a sneak and a liar .
Do you want the electric chair or the gas chamber ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 11:39 AM
I guess if you are blind enough to believe everyone in America just had to have Obama no matter what for 8 years , you are blind enough to believe the Democrat Congress candidates aren't nervous as hell about Sanders taking votes and support away from Hillary this late in the game too .
Trump is getting the press , it doesn't mean it's the whole truth .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 11:46 AM
Denial is more then just a river in Egypt .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 11:59 AM
the revolt is because they have seen no positive action out of Congress. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:24 AM
Another total, complete abject lie from a socialist liar. Commie you're a great worshipper of Obama.
They've seen not only no positive action from Obama they've seen negative action. And that's why your party has been kicked out of office in record fashion.
Now post another lie.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 12:37 PM
So the Clinton's aren't so bad, eh? In the news today:
"On Tuesday, Clinton lost the West Virginia primary to 74-year-old socialist Bernie Sanders 51% to 36%.
That’s a stark contrast to 2008, when she trounced Barack Obama, 66.9% to 25.7% (John Edwards received 7.3%).
But perhaps what’s more shocking is the raw vote total.
In 2008, she received 240,890 votes. Yesterday, Clinton netted 84,176 votes, according to NBC — a 65% decline."
Poor Commie - his vote will go for Donald Trump this year.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 1:36 PM
Poor Commie - his vote will go for Donald Trump this year.
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 1:36 PM
Yes it will, right along with Mischick's and Theorist's
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 1:54 PM
"...Democrat revolt between Sanders and Clinton..."
how is it a "revolt?" It's a primary contest and they probably agree on about 90% of the issues.
----- ---- --- -- -
"do nothing Congress" excuse."
If it's only an "excuse" for Congress having done nothing, what has Congress accomplished?
Here's some help, they didn't settle the immigration issue, they didn't settle the budget issue, they didn't settle the terrorist issue, they didn't settle the economic issue (the economy is growing in spite of Congress not because of them), they didn't settle the deficit issue, they didn't settle the healthcare issue, etc., etc.
What did they do?
----- ---- --- --
"...realize the Congress was majority Democrat when [President] Obama was elected , right?"
You do realize that either party in Congress can be obstructionist no matter who is in power, right?
No cooperation and no compromise, no progress. What was that two wings thing...
----- ---- --- --
"The majority of voters dis-agree with your total dedication."
The totality is a figment of your imagination. It's easy to see how you ignore things you disagree with.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 2:15 PM
"...I am going to make an 8 X 10 glossy of it and hang it on my office wall."
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 9:53 AM
What a miraculous accomplishment. That way you'll make both your Klan friends and your gay friends ecstatic.
(Laughing all the way)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 2:20 PM
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 2:28 PM
"What a miraculous accomplishment. That way you'll make both your Klan friends and your gay friends ecstatic."
Commie,
And you are aware that I have either..... how?
But if you will just send me a picture of yourself in a bent over position I will work it into the picture behind Obama's behind and send you a copy for your wall.
I am reasonably good with PhotoShop.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 2:37 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 2:20 PM
Common: More BS from the Goat Herder from Rock Top Scopus. BTW, did you say Gay in a demeaning way - that's sad for a PC Liberal low info Democrat.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 4:30 PM
that's sad for a PC Liberal low info Democrat. -- Posted by semo471 on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 4:30 PM
Sad to everyone except a low info democrat like Commie.
He can lie all the time and explain it away as "context and time". His president can lie all the time and Commie is right there to explain for us what he meant and the fact that he wasn't lying.
He's a piece of trash liberal leftist. Pure and simple. Funny he never talks about debt does he?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 5:31 PM
The death spiral continues. Bernie says Hill is a "disaster":
"Fresh off a big win in the West Virginia primary, Sen. Bernard Sanders‘ campaign said Wednesday the Democratic Party would be courting “disaster” if it nominates Hillary Clinton as its presidential nominee.
Citing those troubling figures, Mr. Weaver said the Democratic Party — and its superdelegates who are free to support either candidate — must reject Mrs. Clinton and embrace Mr. Sanders, or face a crushing defeat in November."
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 5:33 PM
Trump went through 17 competitors already and Hillary is still struggling with an old socialist heckler in the balcony Who's supporters are organizing a big riot for the convention. Which party is imploding?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 7:02 PM
"Trump went through 17 competitors already..."
Close, but the key is that he was only able to stay because there were so many.
Had there only been two or three, he would probably quit in the first month.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:18 PM
So how come Sanders didn't quit early on based on that thinking?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:24 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:18 PM
Yes - because of course 17 competitors makes it easier to win than 2? Such irrational logic.
Clearly you've never competed in your life have you? I wouldn't expect so as an entitled couch sitter.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 10:11 PM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 2:58 AM
The other side of the story that you never hear from the phony journalists of the day.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 7:58 AM
"...17 competitors makes it easier to win than 2? Such irrational logic."
It's hard to believe that this has to be explained to you once more.
To make it very easy for you to comprehend, in most of the early primaries Trump got about 20-25% of the votes and the plurality because the 75-80% of the votes were against him.
Were those anti-Trump votes distributed between 2 or even 3 competitors, he would have lost most races, gotten discouraged and gone home. Sadly and luckily for him there were the 16, which made it easier for him.
Get it? probably not, but at least I tried to help.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:16 AM
-- Posted by Rick. on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 2:58 AM
Not surprised that you and others on here actually believe that stuff.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:20 AM
" plurality because the 75-80% of the votes were against him."
That is about the most ludicrous assumption I have ever heard and ranks right up there with some of your most stupid remarks you have made.
Where did most of this 75-80% end up after candidates started dropping out? Sure they preferred someone else, but that did not mean they were against Trump any more than they were against all 15 of the others.
That silly reasoning is what people like Art Linkletter used to evoke from the youngsters he talked to.
Good Grief Commie, grow up.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:32 AM
commonsensematters
Not surprised you and others won't even consider it after 9/11 , Ft.Hood , the Boston Marathon...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:33 AM
Hillary now demands Trump taxes .
Hillary will not release the money she made off of Wall Street Speeches .
More Double standards .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:34 AM
commonsensematters
Not surprised you and others won't even consider it after 9/11 , Ft.Hood , the Boston Marathon...
Or ISIS or Islamic State ..
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:35 AM
It was a Muslim on that video btw...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:50 AM
Not surprised that you and others on here actually believe that stuff.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:20 AM
I don't care what others believe .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:55 AM
because the 75-80% of the votes were against him. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 8:16 AM
Of course Commie in his naive way (or downright lying) ignores the fact that a RECORD number of republicans have been voting in the primaries. More than ever.
Now lets see him cut and paste a GOHILLARY.com talking point on that one.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 9:58 AM
Hmmm.... looks like the State Department was told military action was ready for Benghazi. And Hillary didn't act. I guess the military is now in the "witch hunt" eh Commie? You were wrong and lied again.
===
"Despite the claim by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the State Department that nothing more could have been done, a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit recently revealed that Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash immediately offered assistance to the State Department on the night of Sept. 11, saying forces could move to Benghazi and “they are spinning up as we speak.”
"There are individuals who would like to share their stories, but have not because they are afraid of retaliation from their superiors.”
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 10:23 AM
Dug
I see where Mickey is looking for proof of what Common said.... maybe she would like to review the 1300 plus comments for some of his insanity.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 1:00 PM
Wheels,
That's what I meant on the other thread. Miccheck says "I won't discuss Hillary". It's just a Donald Trump bash fest. Let Commie and Miccheck have at it. They aren't going to convince anyone.
Even Commie's own words played back to Commie aren't proof enough of his lying and misleading! :-)
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 1:29 PM
"...spinning up..."
Of course they would have been.
You may want to find out when they were "spinning up," what time that was, where they were, who was "spinning up" and what capability they had to successfully intercede. And maybe check to see what was going on at that time, considering the fact that the Embassy ordered the evacuation of Benghazi by 2 AM.
Don't worry if you can't find any of that information, just make something up.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 4:16 PM
What difference does it make? eh?
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 6:19 PM
- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 4:16 PM
Let's see... believe Hillary Clinton or the people actually there and involved?
Commie laps up every word the woman says. I'll trust the military people who were there and in charge. Which is a paradox. Commie claims to be former military yet he lies profusely. Maybe I shouldn't trust anyone in the military based on your values.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 6:30 PM
Why do I suspect Commie was a desk jockey?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 6:46 PM
Looks like Commie's going to get a raise...
"Pro-Hillary PAC Spending $1 Million to Hire Online Trolls"
"Correct the Record, a pro-Hillary Clinton political action committee (PAC), is spending over $1 million on online trolls...
According to Correct the Record, the task force will “combat online political harassment,” boasting that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 individuals who have personally attacked Secretary Clinton on Twitter.”
===
Actually I take that back. Commie sucks up to politicians for free.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, May 12, 2016, at 10:51 PM
It's good you posted that Dug. Could provide employment for a handful of Leftists who hang out on SO and the Forums.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 8:22 AM
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 10:13 AM
- Posted by Old John on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 10:13 AM
Sorry OJ - have to disagree.
It pays to be a HOT WOMAN Friend of Bill that visits him when Hillary is out of the house. :-)
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 10:36 AM
Posted by Old John on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 10:13 AM
Yet another one of Bill's hoochie mommas, Just don't get it. To me he is disgusting! I wouldn't do him with someone else's v****a!
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 10:43 AM
Hillary will be on record soon calling her a liar, slut, bimbo, etc. and blaming republicans a "vast right wing conspirators" all while claiming that Bill is innocent.
And Commie, miccheck, etc. will be parroting those Hillary talking points in 5... 4... 3... 2...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 10:49 AM
In the news today:
"Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com."
Nice. Flying around with a KNOWN pedophile. More of the Clinton's "war on women".
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 5:18 PM
Bill is a non-player , really . He's not rerunning and nothing but a side show . I like to take shots at him myself but it's for fun or a dig at the Hillary folks .
He's a has been wash up , bottom line .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 8:41 PM
So why should Hillary be president besides the low info leftists think Trump would be worse?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, May 13, 2016, at 8:45 PM
Commie's ideology always leads to the same result. Economic collapse, violence, death. More taxes, more government intervention, more authoritarian control.
So hows your ideology working out in South America Commie? Government takeover of industry, high taxes on "the rich" (aka everyone), free stuff for everyone? Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Argentina are all defaulting on debt, chaos, death, economic collapse, riots... Commie is a good nick name. Hillary will lead us further down Obama's path. Here it is today:
"The United States is increasingly concerned about the potential for an economic and political meltdown in Venezuela, spurred by fears of a debt default, growing street protests and deterioration of its oil sector, U.S. intelligence officials said on Friday. “You can hear the ice cracking. You know there’s a crisis coming,” one U.S. official said. “Our pressure on this isn’t going to resolve this issue.”
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 9:41 AM
Posted by Dug on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 9:41 AM
Doesn't matter what the facts are Dug. Nocommonsense will never give in and admit the truth. He is one who is down on Trump for everything he says but swallows the lies that Clinton mouths without choking.
I am reposting this and guarantee he will see nothing wrong with Obama doing this but has issue with what Trump says. It is a double standard.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 10:17 AM
Per your link, perhaps it was not read in enough detail…
“Marsha Catron, a spokeswoman for the department, said those operations focus on migrants who were caught at the border after Jan. 1, 2014, denied asylum by immigration courts, and ordered deported by judges. Agents also will arrest migrants who came when they were minors but turned 18 while fighting deportation in the courts, making them ineligible for protections as children.”
“But the Homeland Security secretary, Jeh Johnson, has made it clear he wants people in Central America to know there is no open border.”
“Our highest priority is public safety and border security,” Ms. Catron, the spokeswoman, said.”
“…he will see nothing wrong with [President] Obama doing this but has issue with what Trump says.”
How is it that you seem to have decided that deporting illegal immigrants who have gone through the immigration court and denied asylum, is a bad thing. There is no such thing as an “open border” despite conservative inferences and contentions to the contrary.
President Obama is deporting individuals that have been unsuccessful in pleading their case before a court. And he’s continuing to give priority to deportation of criminal illegals who have committed crimes in addition to being here illegally.
Trump says he will deport 11 million or more illegals despite citizenship of family members and their status as tax paying employees of other Americans (one of which is named Trump.)
Can anyone claim, and keep a straight face, that there is no difference between these two practices. On top of that everyone knows that Trump is totally unable to carry out his massive deportation plan, but continues to lie about it. Who is it that “will never give in and admit the truth.”
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 2:50 PM
"It is a double standard."
How is a comparison of the deportation of about 400,000 multiple offending criminals, to the mass deportation of 11 million.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 3:00 PM
...a double standard.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 3:01 PM
“But the Homeland Security secretary, Jeh Johnson, has made it clear he wants people in Central America to know there is no open border.”
You can say that there is no open border but the fact is the border is wide open with no way to block illegals from coming right back. They return in alarming numbers and commit horrific crimes.
No, Trump can't do a mass deportation but he can start sending more back and as I have said with no fence, wall or other visible deterrent they will come right back.
So what would be your solution to stop the flow of illegals? Maybe you can walk back and forth along the border and tell them "no no you can't come in".
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 4:14 PM
"...the fact is the border is wide open with no way to block illegals from coming right back."
That may be your opinion, but is hardly a fact...
"Border Security:
CBP secures America’s borders at and between ports of entry by stopping inadmissible people and illicit goods. CBP’s offices of Field
Operations, Border Patrol, and Air and Marine Operations represent the largest federal law enforcement agency.
Just what do you believe the US Customs and Border Patrol does?
Furthermore...
Donald Trump makes securing the U.S. border sound incredibly simple: build a wall, make Mexico pay. But, according to two men who have dedicated much of their professional lives to curbing illegal immigration, it's not that easy -- nor does it make a lot of sense.
"What does Trump even mean by a wall?" said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a non-profit research organization that advocates immigration reduction in the United States. "A lot of people use the term wall like 'Great Wall of China' wall, but other people refer to what we have already, which is actually fencing, metal barriers."
In fact, according to Krikorian, one of the major holes in Trump's great wall plan is its lack of, well, holes. Those who spend their time actually patrolling and securing the U.S. border don't want structures of concrete and steel to bolster their efforts. They want a fence, one they can see through.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 5:37 PM
Hillary Clinton's stance - open borders and a quicker path to citizenship for illegals:
"Clinton made the argument that comprehensive immigration reform “strengthens families, strengthens our economy, and strengthens our country.” . . . That’s why we can’t wait any longer. We can’t wait any longer for a path to full and equal citizenship.”
"While Clinton has tweeted her support for President Obama’s expanded DACA and DAPA programs, activists have wanted her to take it further. Last fall, Clinton was largely silent on the issue. When asked about the by DREAMers in September about the president’s use of executive authority to push immigration reform, she replied, “Elect more Democrats.”
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 12:51 AM
commonsensematters
Do you have a man crush on Trump ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 7:17 AM
No and that's got to be one of your most idiotic questions. Why would you even ask that?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 7:49 AM
And clearly it was so bizarre that it was impossible to ignore.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 7:53 AM
Posted by Rick. on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 7:17 AM
Rick
It actually goes farther than that. It is more of an obsession. He can deny it but this entire forum speaks for itself!
Don't know if he is secretly hoping for him to be President or if he truly is so low in intelligence that he believes Hillary is actually a truthful, caring, and acceptable candidate.
I think it is the latter.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 8:36 AM
I ask because of your sudden fascination with him .
Idiotic ? Let's not go there . If so , your share has been apparent for quite some time .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 8:36 AM
So what would be your solution to stop the flow of illegals? Maybe you can walk back and forth along the border and tell them "no no you can't come in".-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 4:14 PM
Iamhere: That would be a good way of getting shot by the drug dealers bringing drugs across the border.
**************
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, May 14, 2016, at 5:37 PM
Common: One only has to look at the walls that Israel has built to keep the terrorists out and pattern then for the wall across the southern border with Mexico....fences can be cut. Camera's placed on top of the wall can give the agents eyes where needed. If all employers would hire only legal folks like the law states and the Federal Government enforced those laws, then there would be a one way trail back to Mexico. The Wall will be paid for by Mexico directly or indirectly....one such idea would be to impose an entrance toll for all visitors/workers entering the USA from Mexico.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 10:20 AM
“It is more of an obsession.”
“….sudden fascination with him.”
Obsession?? Fascination???
It is hard to determine how either of you have come to the conclusions that you have drawn. What I have pointed out is that the majority of normal republicans have stated that he is a complete buffoon, a serial panderer, and per Senator Cruz (even though he's far from normal)who, “…unloaded on Donald Trump, accusing him during a news conference of being a "pathological liar," "utterly amoral," "a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen" and "a serial philanderer."
About the only group that has an obsessive fascination with Trump is the collection of low-information republicans/conservatives that believe his every word and hang on to his sermonizing and prevarications.
You may have noticed Trump's latest "flip-flop" on banning all Muslims, which he now claims was "just a suggestion." You could equate this to his saying, "Hope you didn't take me seriously about that, I was only saying that to get your vote, I didn't really mean it."
And yes, your question on “Trump” was “idiotic” or if it makes you feel better it was also asinine, ludicrous and pathetic. I realize that there are some on SO that are so consumed with hatred that they can’t really help themselves, and have a hard time discerning reality (as in “eaten up from the inside.”)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 12:28 PM
he collection of low-information republicans/conservatives that believe his every word and hang on to his sermonizing and prevarications.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 12:28 PM
The only person on this entire thread - or the other lame thread you started - that hangs on every Trump word or prevarication is you. Just like your old fascination with Rush Limbaugh. You quote him and Trump more than anyone.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 12:35 PM
So "Lyin' Duggie's" wrong again, and he's the epitome of a low-info republican/conservative.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 1:01 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 1:01 PM
The sock puppet speaks! Actually, Common, low-info is someone who speaks without facts. Makes statements without knowledge.
You hang on every prevarication. You have more postings and have posted more Trump comments than anyone on here. Not even close.
Surely our Air Force wouldn't let someone in for 20 years that uneducated would they? You're simply not very smart. No common sense at all.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 1:13 PM
More DS.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 4:28 PM
Look it up Commie. More comments and postings on The Donald than anyone.
Good job! You're not very smart are you? These things are easy to verify.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM
Good job! You're not very smart are you? These things are easy to verify.-- Posted by Dug on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM
Dug: What can you expect from a goat herder in Rocky Top Scopus.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 8:45 PM
I don't know but suspect there are still a lot of good down to earth people in the Scopus area that enjoy Auctions and fish fries that may be unaware that an attempt to spread the disease of progressive liberalism is rooted among them.
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 9:31 PM
Best of all... Commie said if you go fishing you have no intellectual capacity. Imagine if all the folks in Bollinger knew that one of their neighbors thought that.
He's simply condescending, uniformed and full of BS.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 9:31 PM
Tar and feathers and rode out of town on a rail comes to mind.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 10:54 PM
And yes, your question on “Trump” was “idiotic” or if it makes you feel better it was also asinine, ludicrous and pathetic. I realize that there are some on SO that are so consumed with hatred that they can’t really help themselves, and have a hard time discerning reality (as in “eaten up from the inside.”)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 12:28 PM
If you insist , every weak and lame defense of Obama you attempt to make is also asinine, ludicrous and pathetic.
Look in the mirror , Obama is as double standard as it gets and he's been at it for 8 years .
He is your President , Trump has never been elected to anything .
Asinine, ludicrous and pathetic would be you , not other posters . You .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 4:51 AM
It would appear that the SO conservatives must have had a trying weekend culminating in total confusion by Sunday night.
For example…
Semo Zero persists in fantasizing about his favorite fiction “….goat herder in Rocky Top Scopus,” in spite of the facts that there are no goats, no rocky top and I don’t even live in Scopus. But then why should Semo Zero let a little thing like the truth get in the way of his kooky illusions.
And Mr. Big Wheel seems to have decided it would be a fine idea to resurrect “tarring” and “feathering” which has always been seen as a quaint alternative to lynching. I guess if he’s given time, he’ll maybe decide to rekindle more “tortures” or worse.
Finally, “Lyin’ Duggie” pipes up with a new fable about how fishermen can’t be intelligent, which makes no sense whatsoever, but that’s no surprise considering the source. His clumsiest and most outlandish claim is his accusation that I am still in the military, in spite of my retiring in 1991. Why else would “Lyin’ Duggie” purport that I am “uniformed” which is as wrong as the rest of his allegations.
Talk about being uninformed…
The SO conservative bunch make this so easy; it must be embarrassing for them.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 7:21 AM
"....would be you, not other posters. You."
As is often the case, something was not read very carefully. I made no accusations about you as a "poster" or as an "individual.
When you posed the question...
"Do you have a man crush on Trump?"
I simply said the question was idiotic, and made no accusation toward the person that asked the question.
There is nothing that I have ever written that would cause anyone to conclude that.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 7:29 AM
I dis-agree . Here is what started the exchange . Notice the words "your" and "you" ... I take that to be me .
......................
No and that's got to be one of your most idiotic questions. Why would you even ask that?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 7:49 AM
I simply said the question was idiotic, and made no accusation toward the person that asked the question.
There is nothing that I have ever written that would cause anyone to conclude that.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 7:29 AM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 8:35 AM
When people hit me , I hit back .
Or , don't start none and there won't be none...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 8:42 AM
Another example :
And yes, your question on “Trump” was “idiotic” or if it makes you feel better it was also asinine, ludicrous and pathetic. I realize that there are some on SO that are so consumed with hatred that they can’t really help themselves, and have a hard time discerning reality (as in “eaten up from the inside.”)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 12:28 PM
"And yes, your question on “Trump” was “idiotic”"
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 9:00 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 7:21 AM
Common: You shouldn't be ashamed of your profession or where you live. Remember, just try to be the best goat herder in Rocky Top Scopus that you can be. After all a community organizer was elected President of the USA so then can a goat herder from Rocky Top Scopus.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 9:10 AM
a new fable about how fishermen can’t be intelligent -- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 7:21 AM
Poor lyin' Commie. If only he could control the forums like his messiah controls the media. But he can't.
===
"...going fishing this afternoon..." - Dug
Now there is something that perfectly fits your intellectual capacity. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sun, Apr 3, 2016, at 4:02 PM
===
Apparently Commie doesn't know the difference between "fishing" and "fishermen". Not surprised. And then caught in another lie.
Sucks to have your words played back, eh?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 9:31 AM
Not in the least. I know what they mean. You invent what you want them or anything to mean.
The reference was to you specifically, nothing at all was said about "fishermen" in general.
As usual, you have no problem misinterpreting any statement.
The fact that "fishing" is something the a person of your minimal intellectual capacity can handle, is no reflection on "fishing," rather it's a reflection on you.
Not surprising that it went straight over your head.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:11 AM
"I dis-agree . Here is what started the exchange . Notice the words "your" and "you" ... I take that to be me."
Correct it was in referring to "your" question, not to any person. And the "you" was used because that is a way of referring to the person that asked the question originally.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:16 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:11 AM
Nice try Commie. But you failed.
You implied fishing takes no intellect. But I would expect no less from a couch-sitting leftist who think's he's smart but is nothing more than a fool for a politician. You've ruined whatever reputation you might have had on this forum a long time ago. With statements like this:
"Hillary's broke" - Commie in January
"I've never heard or read such a thing" - Commie in April.
No one believes a word you say. Keep your head in Obama's backside. It's much safer for you there where your thoughts are appreciated. Rampant lying isn't appreciated by anyone except you.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:30 AM
Just DS as usual.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM
More Commie BS:
"Hillary's broke" - Commie in January
"I've never heard or read such a thing" - Commie in April.
Your own words betray you. Cut and pasted. You can thank me later.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:38 AM
-- Posted by Old John on Sun, May 15, 2016, at 9:31 PM
“…there are still a lot of good down to earth people in the Scopus area that enjoy Auctions and fish fries…”
…and that’s absolutely correct.
“…may be unaware that an attempt to spread the disease of progressive liberalism is rooted among them.”
…and that’s absolutely incorrect. In the first place, no one is “spreading” anything among anyone.
However, were it to be, I would suggest that the “good down to earth people” would not object to shrinking government, reducing the deficit by tax reform, stabilizing Social Security/Medicare, and emphasizing welfare to work, which is what I would recommend to them if asked.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 11:57 AM
However, were it to be, I would suggest that the “good down to earth people” would not object to shrinking government, reducing the deficit by tax reform, stabilizing Social Security/Medicare, and emphasizing welfare to work, which is what I would recommend to them if asked.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 11:57 AM
True, but only if your stated intention above was anything but a subterfuge for the Leftists like yourself's true intentions.
Which that is all it is.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM
Which is only your opinion, that fortunately has no relationship to the truth.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 12:19 PM
Common,
You actually believe the Leftist faction of the Democratic party wants to shrink government and reduce the deficit?
If so you are delusional.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 12:23 PM
"I dis-agree . Here is what started the exchange . Notice the words "your" and "you" ... I take that to be me."
Correct it was in referring to "your" question, not to any person. And the "you" was used because that is a way of referring to the person that asked the question originally.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:16 AM
I know you were posting to me . You know you were posting to me .
It is what it is .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 12:35 PM
"...Democratic party wants to shrink government and reduce the deficit?"
That's correct. The only ones that believe otherwise are republicans/conservatives. The real problem is that they have been telling themselves that for so long that they actually believe it.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 1:14 PM
That's correct. The only ones that believe otherwise are republicans/conservatives. The real problem is that they have been telling themselves that for so long that they actually believe it.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 1:14 PM
"...Democratic party wants to shrink government and reduce the deficit?"
That is a bold face lie . The PPACA is total mandated Government growth and spending .
I'm Independent . Not only do I believe it , I know it as fact .
The only ones who believe it are the Blind faith .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 1:36 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 1:14 PM
Bold Faced lying, could not be anything else!!
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 2:04 PM
Which is only your opinion, that fortunately has no relationship to the truth. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 12:19 PM
Furthermore - about 100 times Commie has been reminded that Obama walked away from the very deficit recommendations from his own deficit commission.
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the backside...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 2:29 PM
I haven't seen a lot of discussion on the IG's report on the Clinton email scandal.
It is forbidden to reprint any part of the report but it is available on line at this address for anyone to read.
I haven't read the whole thing but if anybody still thinks of voting for this woman who is dirty through and through, they might think about reconsidering.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 26, 2016, at 10:50 AM
Very in depth and itemized report of all Secretary of State actions effect to the year 1998 by oath less Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and/or her Staff .
Or , as gramma use to say , "the lie'n biatch got caught with her pants down.."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, May 26, 2016, at 12:38 PM
G.H.
Commie has no defence of this witch, so all you are going to hear from him now through the election is Trump, Trump and more Trump.
If you cannot defend you deflect, that is the way of the Leftists.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 26, 2016, at 3:49 PM
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 26, 2016, at 3:49 PM
Wheels: Looks like you were right....no word from Common on defending lying crooked Hillary or Cigar Bill.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, May 26, 2016, at 5:00 PM
Another point to make that lying crooked Hillary is not qualified to be President:
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, May 27, 2016, at 9:19 AM
Let's hope that fellow doesn't fall over dead or die of suicide before the election.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, May 27, 2016, at 10:27 AM
Old John
Stranger things have happened to those close to the Clintons.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, May 27, 2016, at 1:02 PM
Posted by G. H. on Thu, May 26, 2016, at 2:40 PM
He is way too obsessed with Trump to post anything about Hillalie.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Mon, May 30, 2016, at 11:10 AM
How should posting the truth about his shortcomings and weaknesses be defined as "obsessed?"
As for Hillary Clinton, making up stuff about her is the "responsibility" of the SO conservatives.
I've already said, if she's charged and indicted of a crime and found guilty, she goes to jail. Until that happens, she's innocent, so get over it.
She is, however, profoundly and genuinely more qualified to serve as President than Donald Trump could ever be. For one other thing, she and FDR are the only candidates ever to have run for the office with 8 years of White House experience.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 7:30 AM
"I've already said, if she's charged and indicted of a crime and found guilty, she goes to jail. Until that happens, she's innocent, so get over it."
Commie,
If she wasn't Hillary Clinton with crooked political connections she would already be in prison. You know it and so does everyone else.
Just because a person is not in prison does not necessarily mean they are not guilty of crimes.
And the truth is you know very little of Trump.
His experience far outweighs what the current failure has after over 7 years in office.
You may not like Trump's style but he gets things done. His employees that have come forward many of them women, say he is an excellent administrator and a great person.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 7:43 AM
“If she wasn't Hillary Clinton with crooked political connections she would already be in prison. You know it and so does everyone else.”
No I don’t “know” that, any more than you do. You may think that or want to believe that, but you don’t “know” that.
----- ---- --- -- -
“Just because a person is not in prison does not necessarily mean they are not guilty of crimes.”
And just because there are a series of politically motivated accusations, does not necessarily mean a crime has been committed.
----- ---- --- -- -
“And the truth is you know very little of Trump.”
Again, that’s merely your opinion and certainly not a “truth.”
----- ---- --- -- -
“His experience far outweighs what the current failure has after over 7 years in office.”
More opinion, which as always, you’re welcome to, but his “experience” is highly narrow, limited and circumscribed by “business” dealings in which he has an upper hand because he has the money.
Basically, his “experience” is that of a dictator, where everything only goes his way. Remember his "Golden Rule" which he's changed to "Since I have the gold, I rule."
What would you see happening if (God forbid) a “President Trump” were to be stymied by Congressmen or Supreme Court Justices, or even career government employees? He couldn’t arbitrarily or indiscriminately “fire” them like he was able to do on TV.
And what, specifically is the “failure” you’re referring to?
----- ---- --- -- -
“You may not like Trump's style but he gets things done.”
Only if he can buy accomplishment, that’s what the “Trump style” is limited to. And when he can’t get it “done” he declares bankruptcy and bails out leaving others to suffer the loss. How can anyone lose money, running a casino?
----- ---- --- -- -
“His employees that have come forward many of them women, say he is an excellent administrator and a great person.”
Of course they do, they work for him. People that hint at the truth get fired, just like on TV, and they know it.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 10:46 AM
Poor ole lying crooked Hillary has started to feel the Bern from the ole Crazy Socialist Bernie and from the FBI....will she have a melt down soon.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 11:14 AM
A series of politically motivated accusations against Trump brought to you by common because he pretends to know not who the recent failure in the white house is.
I just hope the people are not duped into allowing Hillary near the white house china again.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 11:35 AM
Which accusations?
What failures?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 11:38 AM
common, No need for you to pretend to be ignorant.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 12:21 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 12:21 PM
OJ: Good one. ☺☺
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 12:31 PM
Wrong again. I know what I think you mean, but the question is still what do you think you mean?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 12:32 PM
Sooo,common,was OJ(Simpson)really innocent? Or was the prosecution incapable of framing a guilty man?
-- Posted by rocknroll on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 1:19 PM
Of course they do, they work for him. People that hint at the truth get fired, just like on TV, and they know it.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 10:46 AM
Common the two I heard interviewed as I was driving last night do not work for him. They DID work for him and he helped both of them in their advancement according to both of them.
The facts are, you have no damned idea of what you are saying, just popping off talking points trying to make the man look bad. That makes you a liar and doesn't help your position one bit.
And one more thing, on Dec 19 (I believe I remember the date) 2016 your vote will be cast for Donald Trump..... Want to argue that point?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 5:18 PM
Hillary will prohibit shredded cheese sales when she is president and make America grate again.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 5:49 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 5:49 PM
😊😊😊😊😊
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 8:03 PM
Wheels , You reckon there is a chance we will enter an era in future history where two presidents slept together in the White House?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 8:14 PM
Old John,
Now that ain't funny. It turns my stomach.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 9:20 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 8:14 PM
OJ: Believe that Cigar Bill turned Hillary into a Lesbian....that's if what I read on the Internet is true.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 9:36 PM
semo, I think that long time for her to return to the debate may have been due to looking for the right restroom even though it was reported she broke the rules of the debate and consulted with staff on how to answer a question.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 10:22 PM
Old John
If it was a rest room she needed, as a Lesie she could have hopped into either one as that is permitted now depending on how she felt on that particular day.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 10:29 PM
Too bad about the monkey, he was a viable write- in alternative for democrats.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 31, 2016, at 11:13 PM
"....trying to make the man look bad."
Why should anyone have to do that, Trump does it all be himself. Do you ever actually listen to the things he says...
First he says he'd "love to debate" Bernie Sanders, then chickens out by claiming it would be "inappropriate."
Or this...
"Even though Donald Trump now claims his controversial plan to ban most Muslims from entering the U.S. is "just a suggestion," he has spent five months talking about it as if it were policy - without releasing many specifics as to how it could work."
Washington (CNN)Pressed on how he would deport 11 million undocumented immigrants from the country, Donald Trump said Wednesday he would build a "deportation force."
Trump was pressed for specifics on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" by co-host Mika Brzezinski, who asked if he would have a "massive deportation force."
"You're going to have a deportation force, and you're going to do it humanely," Trump said. "Don't forget, Mika, that you have millions of people that are waiting in line to come into this country and they're waiting to come in legally. And I always say the wall, we're going to build the wall. It's going to be a real deal. It's going to be a real wall."
He actually makes up more stuff than the SO conservatives do. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 7:07 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 7:07 AM
Common: At least Trump didn't leak classified info on an unsecured server that would land anyone else in prison....hackers attack the secured USA government servers everyday and they probably went wild on her unsecured server.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 8:32 AM
G.H.
Commie is busy as a mouthpiece for the DNC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC and any other organization with a Leftist Agenda aimed at Trump. Never mind the truth, destroy the man who just might put a damper on their party at the taxpayer's expense.
As far as the 11 million illegals go, round em up, put them in a camp on this side of the border and let them build the wall for us. When it is finished herd through the gate to the Mexican side of the wall and close the gate. They have enjoyed enough of our hospitality for free. Let them apply for citizenship and earn it. I have a distant relative in Europe who is just about here legally. She has been through interviews giving her the third degree. Why should 11 million illegals be treated any better. This lady has a very good education and works for a multi national company and would NOT be on welfare the day she shows up. No dependents coming with the deal. Just another producer and potential taxpayer.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 2:52 PM
"I guess it is true."
Good thing that you're not very good a guessing. Trump is a complete and total buffoon. He blundered into this nomination because there were 16 other candidates.
For the first half of the process he routinely got 20% or so of the vote with about 80% against him, and that's probably what it will be in the actual election.
The SO conservatives may all worship Trump, but that not the case here. Think whatever you want to, but Trump is the worst thing that could ever happen to this country.
Even Glenn Beck is plotting to overthrow him in the "unlikelyhood" that he were to win.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 4:18 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 4:18 PM
Goat Herder: If you would do the math, 80% divided by 16 other candidates would be 5% each avg. Trump's 20% is 4 times that of each of his competitors....did lying crooked Hillary beat ole crazy Bernie by a factor of 4 times - don't think so. Your welcome.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 6:14 PM
As usual, SEMO scores a zero...
The point is and has always been that buffoon Trump would have lost virtually every one of the initial races had he been only facing 2 or 3 other candidates. Redo your math.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 6:34 PM
Who is worshiping Trump? common is obsessed with talking bad about him to deflect from the miserable choice the democrat side offers.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 6:37 PM
"....with talking bad about him..."
Just pointing out the facts. As for the democratic side, do what ever you want, although if you're voting for the good of the nation, you'll dump Trump. Might be best if you don't vote at all, or vote for Gov. Johnson.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 6:52 PM
As usual you bring it up and then skate around it. Who is worshiping Trump? I'll be voting against a traitor or the one that wants the nation to be like Venezuela
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 7:34 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 6:34 PM
Goat Herder: No need to redo my math. Now then answer my question - did Hillary beat Bernie by a factor of 4. Since you are unable to comprehend, let me answer it for you....no she didn't.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 8:27 PM
Semo zero strikes out again.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 8:49 PM
Sounds like the media has got to a point they can't continue to ignore Hillary's obvious lies so they counter with Trump's troubles.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 8:53 PM
or the corrected version...
"Sounds like the media has got to a point they can't continue to ignore [Trump's] obvious lies so they counter with [Hillary's] troubles."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 6:33 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 6:33 AM
What a childlike response!
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 6:57 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 8:49 PM
Goat Herder: Thank you Pres. Pinky for your failed health care plan. With your low math skills you probably don't know that Pinkycare is costing the tax payers millions and millions of dollars directly and indirectly. However, Pinkycare will be repealed in Jan. 2017.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 9:41 AM
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Jun 1, 2016, at 8:53 PM
Or the corrected version...
"Sounds like [Commie] has got to point they can't continue to ignore Hillary's obvious lies so [Commie] counters with Trump's troubles."
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 9:47 AM
Common must have spent his day enjoying Some Hillary screams.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 8:50 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 8:50 PM
He certainly didn't take the day to go fishing. He thinks thats a sign of mental weakness. Imagine that attitude from someone in Bollinger County! LOL.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 9:16 PM
-- Posted by Dug on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 9:16 PM
Dug: Common is a transplant from Germany....probably in the witness protection program.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 10:00 PM
Again, it's nothing of the sort. I have no problem responding were there something of value posted by the SO crowd. So far it's been the normal gibberish.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 10:20 PM
Common must have spent his day enjoying Some Hillary screams.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 8:50 PM
Old John,
When Hillary starts that screeching it reminds me of my wife when she is less than pleased with something I allegedly have done. But she reserves that for my ears only.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 11:50 PM
Commie
You gonna start a thread to discuss that missing information on the Iran negotiations? Or would you rather one of us do it?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 11:52 PM
Iran negotiations? Illegal email servers? Missing subpoenaed law firm files? Broke one year, rich the next?
As Commie's new messiah said - "What difference does it make?"
Truth, to Commie, is gibberish. He's proven his belief in that for the past 7 years of Obama. Or to quote another leftist like Commie:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 9:36 AM
More DS. "Lyin' Duggie" is as likely to recognize and comprehend the truth, as he is to leap across the Mississippi River from the end of Broadway in downtown Cape Girardeau.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 9:54 AM
While I too question Commons military background I can verify one thing that some have questioned him on and that is the amount of deployments.
Being an Air Force brat I can say he is probably being truthful about the amount of deployments.
My Dad had 6 children from 2 marriages( my Mom was the 2nd wife and Mother of 4). Only 2 of us was born in the same state and there was one in between us but not on the same bases either.
He was also in Germany and Panama during all that time. The Air Force seemed to move their people all around a lot. Never stayed anywhere more than a year or so.
Just wanted to clear that up.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 10:57 AM
Just wanted to clear that up. -- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 10:57 AM
He certainly may have served. All I do is give him back the very sarcasm, doubt, rude treatment, etc. that he does others.
When someone posts something personally (experience, etc.) he becomes an idiot at times and will say "anyone can be anything on an anonymous forum". So when he gets defensive and needs an "out" he'll polish his uniform and tell you that he served in the military to try and deflect criticism. So I question whether he's ever served because, as he criticizes others, "anyone can be anything on an anonymous forum".
Leftist liberals like Commie absolutely hate their words played back to them. Dialogue, logic, truth is a ONE WAY street to him. And Barack. And Hillary. It's how the far-left operate.
Now Commie's embarrassed about his Messiahs latest bathroom brew-ha-ha that even moderate democrats say is way over the line. So what's a guy like Commie to do? Lay low. Very low.
It's what he does every time. So predictable.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 11:18 AM
Posted by Dug on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 11:18 AM
I just posted that bc some had used the fact that he said he was in so many places that they thought he was lying. He may very well be but I know from experience that you moved around a lot back then but also Common was in after my Dad so it may have changed.
My Dad was a WWII and Korean War Veteran so it was before Commons time. He retired in the 60's.
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 11:28 AM
-- Posted by Iamhere on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 11:28 AM
I'm sure he did move a lot! My dad was in the military - and other family members - but he got out when I was young.
I was 1/2 responding to your post and 1/2 responding to Commie's latest playground tactics (see above).
As Wheels said yesterday, he's turned into an immature "adult" lately. A messed up mind indeed!
I could accept what Commie says except that he cannot return that favor to anyone else. My hope is he'll begin acting like an adult some day. But it's been years since that's happened with him. Ever since his Messiah began running he's lost his way.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 2:48 PM
"He retired in the 60's."
And I came into the US Air Force in 1967, in the Philippines and Vietnam. Among other places I was in Korea in 1968, Germany (Ramstein AB) in the 70's and in Panama (Quarry Heights and Albrook AS) in the 80's.
You may agree with the SO conservatives politically, but you're on extremely shaky ground if you accept what they claim about others. What most of their positions boil down to is whatever the conservative play book says to believe, they repeat. I have yet to experience any of them thinking rationally by or for themselves. Their favorite tactic remains to call names and denigrate anyone that dares to disagree with them.
Just re-read what's just above...
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 4:13 PM
"What most of their positions boil down to is whatever the conservative play book says to believe, they repeat."
Commie,
Please tell me where I get one of these "Conservative Play Books". I was not available there was anything like that available.
So far I have been able to reach my positions by using what I know and applying common sense.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 4:37 PM
Their favorite tactic remains to call names and denigrate anyone that dares to disagree with them. Just re-read what's just above... -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 4:13 PM
Believe me, we do. Proof you can dish it out, but you can't take it. Hypocrisy at it's best...
More DS. "Lyin' Duggie" is as likely to recognize and comprehend the truth, as he is to leap across the Mississippi River from the end of Broadway in downtown Cape Girardeau.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 4:13 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 9:54 AM
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 4:43 PM
Thing is, there is a playbook for liberal progressives. it's called rules for radicals and one of the first things it teaches is to accuse the other side of doing what you are doing.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 6:11 PM
That may well be, but while I know what it is, from all of your carping about it, I have never seen a copy nor read any of it.
It would appear that the SO conservative friends know much more about it than I do, particularly the practice of the part where you accuse me of what you're doing.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 6:52 PM
So you're just a born natural radical progressive?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 7:06 PM
No, not even close.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 7:47 PM
From what I've heard on what little news I've had on today it sounds as if Hillary is getting closer and closer to that old Maytag and some are speculating Uncle Joe is ready and willing.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 8:26 PM
After lying crooked Hillary loses California to Crazy Socialist Bernie the so call "super delegates" that were supporting Hillary will urge Uncle Joe Biden to enter the race. Since Hillary or Bernie won't have the needed delegates for nomination then Biden on the third vote will be proclaimed the Democratic savior to go up against Trump.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 8:51 PM
you accuse me of what you're doing. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 6:52 PM
Now that's funny - call someone a name and then on your very next post accuse others of doing that. Hypocrisy at it's best.
Kinda like claiming Hillary's broke in January then claiming in April you never heard or read such a thing.
Dude - you are out of your league. You could never take the high road. It's simply laughable.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 9:11 PM
just dam, my post was just replaced with page expired so at the risk of repeat:
Even CBS has hinted toward what is to come with the story about Bill's speeches commanding up to $775G right after she became SoS. Then Bill receives $16M in donations to his fleece fund and soon after a big company is allowed to police itself and trade with N Korea and Iran conveying sophisticated technology.
Sounds like a Yogi Berra observation would fit in there somewhere.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 10:31 PM
"....you are out of your league."
Finally, a smidgen of honesty from "Lyin' Duggie."
I could never hope to compete with you when it comes to distorting the truth, extracting phrases out of context, making things up, plain lying, drawing absurd conclusions, misstating issues, gross misinterpretation of facts, etc. etc.
When it come to those kinds of things you really are in a league of your own.
I'll just have to be content with facts and realism and logic and sanity. I'm glad that I'm not in your league.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 10:47 AM
"On May 12, 2015, the private equity firm Apollo Global Management announced it was unloading the remainder of its stake in Noranda Aluminum."
"That same day in 2015 that Apollo disposed of its stake in Noranda, Bill Clinton pocketed $250,000 for a speech to one of its subsidiaries, Apollo Management Holdings."
"Apollo is known as a vulture fund, so named because these types of firms swoop in to buy up distressed companies, in some cases stripping them of their assets and leaving little more than a corporate carcass behind."
"Apollo bought Noranda in 2007 in a deal financed with over $1 billion in debt, which then became Noranda's responsibility. As the Post-Dispatch reported, Noranda almost immediately began paying out lavish dividends to its shareholders—that is, to Apollo. Noranda paid $216.1 million in dividends in 2007, followed by $102.2 million the following year."
"In May 2015, Apollo decided to sell off its holdings in the company—which was already down to a 33 percent stake after it had sold off its majority interest in 2012. By February 2016, Noranda declared bankruptcy, ceased operations at the New Madrid plant and laid off nearly all its employees at the plant."
"Hillary Clinton has recently said her husband, whose presidency was marked by historic economic growth, would serve as a kind of economic adviser in her administration."
"But to do that job well, Bill Clinton would have to take on firms such as Apollo that he himself has benefited from."
Still thinking the choice in November will be down to a guess towards picking the lesser of two evils...
-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM
Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM
Well isn't that just ducky?
-- Posted by Iamhere on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 11:52 AM
When it come to those kinds of things you really are in a league of your own.
I'll just have to be content with facts and realism and logic and sanity. I'm glad that I'm not in your league.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 10:47 AM
You continue to be content with corruption near the point of outright treason, I will vote against it.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 1:17 PM
"You continue to be content with corruption..."
As always you're welcome to your opinion, but what's been proven is more important.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 2:11 PM
-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM
Fxpwt,
Surely there must be an error here.....
Millions of dumbarses who vote the Democratic ticket because Democrats are against the rich guys and Democrats are for the poor working man, couldn't be wrong...... could they??
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 2:27 PM
Commie will straighten this out, I have confidence in him.
Hey Commie, Commie, over here, your crooked Clintons need some reinforcement.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 2:30 PM
Do a little research into The Clintons and privately owned universities and see who made money in crooked education.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 4:29 PM
Do a little research into The Clintons and privately owned universities and see who made money in crooked education.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 4:29 PM
Old John,
Could you take that information over to the kid's section for Theorist. I would but I think she is a little upset with me.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 4:59 PM
June days of rain and Hillary lies are alike in that if you get one on the 1st you'll get 15 in the month
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 5:09 PM
Hillary Clinton is the kind of person that you could love to learn to hate.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 5:14 PM
Wheels, Theorist has been in an ignore Old John mode for a while now. She responds to me through mischick.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 5:18 PM
I'll just have to be content with facts and realism and logic and sanity. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 10:47 AM
Commie in January -"Hillary is broke".
Commie in April - "I've never read or heard such a thing".
You're content to lie to protect your self-proclaimed god Obama. Again - as you have attributed to to him in your own words.
You continue to be content with corruption and lying. You could never take the high road.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 5:51 PM
-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM
fxpwt: Still haven't figured out why Noranda got into bed with Apollo to begin with. I had retired from Noranda just before the take over so don't have any insider info.
After reading your link, all SEMO citizens should be mad as heck about these vulture funds and Congress along with the President for not riding herd on these crooks. Cigar Bill and lying crooked Hillary won't do anything about these funds because they have their pockets full of their money...I'm going to vote (like the Democrats do) as many times as I can for Trump.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Jun 4, 2016, at 8:25 PM
Eh, SEMO, don't know that Noranda had a choice in the goings-on. Seemed like for a few years there, they were getting passed around and handed off faster than grandma's stinky bowl of boiled turnips - Falconbridge, XStrata, Apollo.
I wonder if she had her north Korean "little General uniform under that to-sack.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 5:35 PM
"...Illegal for terrorists to buy guns..."
How about starting with keeping those on the terrorist watch list from being allowed to buy AR-15's.
Why would the republicans/conservatives be against that?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 6:05 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 5:11 PM
Goat Herder: Don't yell at the messenger, I only posted what everyone but the head in the sand PC Liberal low info Democrats knew. Didn't lying crooked Hillary say that her email server was secured with no hacks against it....well lets see what secrets were given to the Russians and if it caused any American deaths. Probably every 12 year old hacker in China, Russia, and North Korea has hundreds of USA secrets.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 6:42 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 5:13 PM
OJ: You were meaning the Goat Herder from Scopus, right.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 6:45 PM
Looks like the guy who set up lying crooked Hillary's server also set up the DNC server.☺☺
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 7:08 PM
Actually Some idiots think certain kind of rifles banned would prevent terrorist attacks. I think while their at it they should make bombs without locks illegal for terrorists to buy.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Jun 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM
"....rifles banned would prevent terrorist attacks."
Sure, we all know that the type of rifle available is totally irrelevant.
Think back to when "terrorist Omar" invaded that nightclub with his flintlock musket. The barrel was so long that it banged into the entrance door and accidentally fired harmlessly into the ceiling. Then someone bumped his elbow causing his powderhorn to fall and spill onto the carpet. In his haste he dropped his bullet and it rolled under the bar. He asked someone to hold his ramrod and that person promptly took off with it. The end result was that no one got hurt and Omar was arrested.
Clearly the banning of certain types of rifles would make no difference at all.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM
You need to stay off the sauce Commie. You obviously cannot handle your drinks.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 6:39 AM
PS: Commie, your quill pen dripped some ink on the copy I got and it was hardly legible.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 6:41 AM
Think back to when ... -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM
Think back to when the people of Boston were oppressed and the British had confiscated all their guns because the Brits, like Commie, believe that citizens should not be armed. The oppression continued on the unarmed population and today Missouri is still a colony of the expanding British empire.
The 2nd amendment, Commie, isn't for hunting or defense in your home. Then entire purpose of the 2nd amendment is to defend citizens from an oppressive government. It was never meant to be limited to muskets and single shot rifles. Citizens are meant to be just as armed as their government.
People like you are scary. Crazy. Your attitude and worship of government and men in power is dangerous. And you haven't a clue about government or the constitution.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 7:51 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM
Goat Herder: You still use flintlock muskets in Scopus....guess it's hard protecting your goats from coyotes then.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 9:28 AM
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-- Posted by Alan Bine on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 7:32 AM
Had a few minutes and was enjoying going back and reading some of McChick and ol common blatherings wondering who opened up this years later and find an advertising. If the algorythm is so quick to stop words like "unsmart" how did someone selling goods/services get through?
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 11:08 AM
Rock: My question would be how was this thread picked for their advertisement. It seemed to be unsmart of them.
-- Posted by Dennis Smith on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 12:41 PM
And it's still there,David. Oh,but don't dare use the "unsmart" word and Muslim will get a warning,also,I found out.
It was interesting to go back and read common's insistence trump had no chance and the McChicky comments that were still there from others pasting them even when she bolted and had herself "deleted". Wonder if she permanently deleted herself from life and her alternate reality? Seems common may have pulled his plug. No big loss but he was always good for a laugh or two. I predict he will be back as soon as the Democrats pick the worst of the worst. Normally that should be best of the worst but unless someone is hiding best ain't happening.
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 3:21 PM
Rock: IMO, there are going to be more folks from the Deep State that are going to come up missing in the next few months. Time will tell.
Schaefer's World
-- Posted by Dennis Smith on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 3:53 PM
Rock, I believe McChick or whatever has a real name associated with that screen name. I long ago forgot what it was and care less, but googling it can be enlightening on the he and she part. A distinct possibilty "they" are celebrating today's special significance day.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 5:42 PM
Wheels, I had forgot about that.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 5:45 PM
Funny how there are millions of the ex-closet folks now a days....don't think it biologically but a party time Generation. Now start your hate comments all that you want.
Schaefer's World
-- Posted by Dennis Smith on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 6:09 PM
The Clinton thread reminds me; Did I hear a couple political people died unexpectedly in Arkansas a while back?
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jun 30, 2019, at 8:54 PM
The remorse overwhelmed the guy; Epstien suicide.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sat, Aug 10, 2019, at 9:58 PM
Kind of ironic that Epstein was on suicide watch until the dumping of thousands of pages of evidence against him revealed big shots were involved in his love jet and love island affairs....then the suicide watch was lifted and shortly after he was swinging from the ceiling. Smells like a rat and his name is Bill/Hillary Clinton.
Schaefer's World
-- Posted by Dennis Smith on Sun, Aug 11, 2019, at 8:06 AM
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For those of us under 50 who were too young to remember and those who are over 50 and may have forgotten.... You may want to vet the Presidential Candidates yourself this election cycle instead of leaving it to the biased media. Your future could depend on it.
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